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Posted 16 May 2015 - 09:59 PM

mick, do you mean milling .. coinslots in the skirts? and If I wanted to use that same piston under forced induction, would I still mill metal from under the crown?



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 11:43 AM

mick, do you mean milling .. coinslots in the skirts? and If I wanted to use that same piston under forced induction, would I still mill metal from under the crown?

 

Yep ,milling coin slots in the skirts  ,even shortening the skirts  and metal from under the crown . Also a lightweight taper bored pin will help . BUT , for forced induction i wouldnt remove metal from under the crown except to even the castings up.

 

If this were a N/A application i would look at offset grinding with longer rods to get 2.2 l .

By the way what are u sing this engine in ?.



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Posted 18 May 2015 - 01:01 AM

I've wanted to put on of those in a HB Torana, but too many projects not enough bloody money.

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Posted 18 May 2015 - 09:20 PM

I've wanted to put on of those in a HB Torana, but too many projects not enough bloody money.

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Fair enough but only you really liked these engines ,a much better choice is a Mercruiser or Crown forklift 3liter Chevy 4cyl ,these have a 4" bore and chev bolt pattern so possibilities are endless .


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Posted 19 May 2015 - 12:33 AM

Add a turbo and look out, there are heaps of suitable 4's but I like that Chev though.

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 10:55 AM

Are those Chevy 4 bangers easy to get hold of second hand and in reasonable condition?



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Posted 19 May 2015 - 11:44 AM

Is the weight of those buggers correct on the following page?

 

https://www.mercurym...mercruiser/30l/

 

It seems a bit heavy.



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Posted 19 May 2015 - 03:38 PM

Are those Chevy 4 bangers easy to get hold of second hand and in reasonable condition?

 

Yup they are easily available through forklift wreckers as the forklift version had propper sump and manifolds , they are similar design to a red motor or chevy inline 6 with two cylinders out of the middle ,should be a little lighter than a red 6 ,and many chev 6 or v8 parts will interchange . I worked for crown forklift service and these were totally reliable . 

 

Just saw the mercury link that is the latest version, the forklift and earlier mercury versions used a propper 2bbl carb and distributor ,none of that efi crap .


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Posted 20 May 2015 - 01:00 PM

I thought the 415 KG weight was probably an error. That sounds more like the weight of a BBC.



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Posted 20 May 2015 - 08:19 PM

I thought the 415 KG weight was probably an error. That sounds more like the weight of a BBC.

 

Might be 415lbs



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Posted 20 May 2015 - 09:03 PM

I had another look, they definitely have something wrong.

 

604 lbs / 417 kg

 

417 KG = 919 lbs.



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Posted 10 August 2015 - 07:07 PM

What ever you do to one of these things is don't run the water pump/alt. off the crank pulley as it is set up on a stock six in order to try and dampen "harmonics" by trying to use the elastic properties of  rubber...it don't work.

 

Apologies for doubting or questioning any ones word on what needs to be done!

 

If some one is in the process of "building  up" one of these things..... try red rods,lightest short skirt pistons with right pin height to suit whatever bore size (if you can get them?).

One thing i don't understand is why would they use a heavy rod in something so under stressed?

 

My next step is to park the thing under some nice shady trees and buy a Ford.

 

On the "pointless" ignition side of things...not that hard.

Don't remember what the stuff came off (the good old days of dumped cars) but it works..seemed to "help" a bit but that may have been due to a mismatched coil on the points system?

 

Twin SU's with will rattle the slides like all frok at idle with a bit of a cam.

Twin dcoe40 is sort of not too bad with idle of roughly 1100 ish or a tad aboveish  with current cam...not too bad from 3 upwards..need to use the gears a bit though!

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the shielded wires to and from dizzy to other bit are a must they reckon?...i don't really care because there is enough filtering built in 

to cope with the "noise".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 16 August 2015 - 05:08 PM

Something else that the minority who are considering playing with one these things might consider?

If you are contemplating putting a "a bit of a cam" in one,the standard valves are a bit on the short side for any decent bit of lift to the 

point of coil bind.

V6 valves need a bit off the heads to get them back to standard diameter,you can either ditch the "spacer" on the exhaust or make a 

cupped shim fitted on spring seat to take it's place and use a stock retainer to get the seated tension within reason?

Stock V8 springs seem to a little on the "tight" side but shit loads nicer than stupid seated tensions that were "recommended".

Not only do the heavy ones put a  "strain" on cam/bearings,they also cause other obvious problems when turning the engine over

by hand...among other things.

After setting up seated tension as what was recommended as max (just under) i found that a softer setting was "nicer" and the thing would tend to "pick up and spin out" nicer...for want of better words..even on 32mm chokes (just over 5krpm for that size according to weber,but will go to 6)..it just seemed to get there better.

The vibration thing...without being argumentative as i can sometimes be when not knowing (not taking heed at times) is still an issue.

But......i have now learned that the vibration issue "could" be caused by valve train issues?

This may be all well and true but without really knowing what is going on i am at a loss,out of patience/time/money to stuff around with junk any more.

Some one did this to one once?

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 06:27 AM

Fair enough but only you really liked these engines ,a much better choice is a Mercruiser or Crown forklift 3liter Chevy 4cyl ,these have a 4" bore and chev bolt pattern so possibilities are endless .


Finally get to play with one of these engines for my brothers obese bayliner boat. They have low comp 8to 1 ,small but well shaped ports so there is potential. Also potential to stroke to 3.5 l.




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