G'day guys, maybe some one here could help me. Is this a genuine HQ SS or not?
MODEL: 80269QR
TRIM: 1871-10C
PAINT: 563-15446
BUILD DATE: 9/72
Note the paint code???
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 08:52 PM
Need some more numbers on this
Not much to go on there
And even with all the numbers... it just proves what the tags are... not the car
How about some pics too
Not much to go on there
And even with all the numbers... it just proves what the tags are... not the car
How about some pics too
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:03 PM
There isnt any more except the body number... The plates arnt like toranas with eng, box and diff codes. Aparentlly there are only two definative ways to tell if it is an original SS and that is through the paint and trim codes, build date has to be right which it is (There was only a very short period they were built, in two different runs) and the model number is right but its the same as any other belmont number....
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:57 PM
Mate i'm no expert but I think lettuce alone was ss only. Cheers Ron
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 10:04 PM
Contact Paul ... his user name here is HQ-SS
http://www.gmh-toran...ser/4530-hq-ss/
He will know the ins and out
But again... it only confirms the tag numbers.... not the car
Do you have the paint code wrong ?
568-15466 maybe ? (Lettuce Alone green)
Trim code looks right as 10C
http://www.gmh-toran...ser/4530-hq-ss/
He will know the ins and out
But again... it only confirms the tag numbers.... not the car
Do you have the paint code wrong ?
568-15466 maybe ? (Lettuce Alone green)
Trim code looks right as 10C
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:18 AM
Hi Guys.
Those numbers look good for a Lettuce Alone SS. The lower line of the body ID plate should have M20 for 'TRANS' & GV2 for 'AXLE', but the 'ENG' should be blank. The VIN plate should read 8M69CRxxxxxxx. 8 = Holden, M = Belmont, 69 = sedan, C = 1973 model year (starts 1/9/72) & R = 253 V8. The 10C trim number & 9/72 indicates that it's from the initial batch of SSs.
You mention that the 80269 model is the same as any other Belmont sedan, this is not quite correct. 80269 is the model number for a V8 Belmont sedan, a 6-cyl Belmont would be 80169. How many HQ Belmont V8s do you see that are not SSs ? Not many.
The paint number is interesting I've personally recorded several Lettuce Alone cars with this paint number. I think one of the plants mis-stamped some plates.
dattoman is also correct, the plates might be SS but is the car an SS ?
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Those numbers look good for a Lettuce Alone SS. The lower line of the body ID plate should have M20 for 'TRANS' & GV2 for 'AXLE', but the 'ENG' should be blank. The VIN plate should read 8M69CRxxxxxxx. 8 = Holden, M = Belmont, 69 = sedan, C = 1973 model year (starts 1/9/72) & R = 253 V8. The 10C trim number & 9/72 indicates that it's from the initial batch of SSs.
You mention that the 80269 model is the same as any other Belmont sedan, this is not quite correct. 80269 is the model number for a V8 Belmont sedan, a 6-cyl Belmont would be 80169. How many HQ Belmont V8s do you see that are not SSs ? Not many.
The paint number is interesting I've personally recorded several Lettuce Alone cars with this paint number. I think one of the plants mis-stamped some plates.
dattoman is also correct, the plates might be SS but is the car an SS ?
Dr Terry
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 08:42 AM
and if it has l31 (308) eng code it is a gts as i heard no 308 belmonts left the factory
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:55 AM
Hi Guys.
Those numbers look good for a Lettuce Alone SS. The lower line of the body ID plate should have M20 for 'TRANS' & GV2 for 'AXLE', but the 'ENG' should be blank. The VIN plate should read 8M69CRxxxxxxx. 8 = Holden, M = Belmont, 69 = sedan, C = 1973 model year (starts 1/9/72) & R = 253 V8. The 10C trim number & 9/72 indicates that it's from the initial batch of SSs.
You mention that the 80269 model is the same as any other Belmont sedan, this is not quite correct. 80269 is the model number for a V8 Belmont sedan, a 6-cyl Belmont would be 80169. How many HQ Belmont V8s do you see that are not SSs ? Not many.
The paint number is interesting I've personally recorded several Lettuce Alone cars with this paint number. I think one of the plants mis-stamped some plates.
dattoman is also correct, the plates might be SS but is the car an SS ?
Dr Terry
Thanks guys
Yeah the paint code is stamped with 1 wrong digit and this is something i have heard happening in these before.
It is a 253, four speed... How do i tell if the car is actually the real deal then?
I have tried to upload pics but just couldnt figure out how to do it...
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:03 AM
It is unlikely you will see a Lettuce Alone paint number & 10C interior trim number on the same body plate as L31.and if it has l31 (308) eng code it is a gts as i heard no 308 belmonts left the factory
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:04 AM
I have tried to upload pics but just couldnt figure out how to do it...
https://cache.gmh-to...hotobucket.com/
Edited by hanra, 04 September 2012 - 10:05 AM.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:09 AM
Get somebody who is more familiar with SSs to take a look.It is a 253, four speed... How do i tell if the car is actually the real deal then?
I have tried to upload pics but just couldnt figure out how to do it...
If you are in a car club, you may have a resident guru, who can confirm its identity.
Where in Sydney do you live, I could check it out for you.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 11:50 AM
Cheers DOC,
It is 1 that i am looking at buying and its not in syd, hopefully i will be checkin it out on thurs if it hasnt sold..... Still trying to upload pics (FRUSTRATING)
Also i am pretty sure the SS ONLY came out with a 253 4speed. No 308 option....
It is 1 that i am looking at buying and its not in syd, hopefully i will be checkin it out on thurs if it hasnt sold..... Still trying to upload pics (FRUSTRATING)
Also i am pretty sure the SS ONLY came out with a 253 4speed. No 308 option....
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 12:10 PM
FINALLY YAAAAAAYYYY!!!! here are the pics cheers....
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:26 PM
Can some 1 confirm they can view these pics???
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:35 PM
yeah i can see them, if i download them.
That said there very small and you cant see much, not that i nkow wtf im looking at.
Cheers.
That said there very small and you cant see much, not that i nkow wtf im looking at.
Cheers.
Edited by Bomber Watson, 04 September 2012 - 06:39 PM.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 06:45 PM
Looks like a duck....
Barks like a duck...
Good luck on your inspection, no many left
Barks like a duck...
Good luck on your inspection, no many left
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:22 PM
Only 1500 HQ SS's made which make them fairly collectable
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:41 PM
Hi guys and there all 253 4 speed and I tihnk they only come in three colors
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:44 PM
well as far as i know there were 2 runs 1st had 1200 2nd had 1400 soooo 2600 all together
Cheers mate....
Yep thats right
Cheers mate....
Hi guys and there all 253 4 speed and I tihnk they only come in three colors
Yep thats right
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Hey Flano, good luck with the hq! Awesome cars I love any hq. they came out in 3 colours, lettuce alone( green) infra red ( red) and ultra violet( purple) not sure how many of each color were made but red and green seem to be fairly common. I thought they actually came out with m21 gearbox? Could be wrong. Anyway all the best hope it all happens for you.
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:40 PM
Hi Flano.
I just PMed you back and then found this post.
If you can pm me your email address and I will send the information through to you.
If you can send me larger versions of the pictures it will help out a bit more.
Ok guys here is a little bit of information on the SS's.
They were all made in two batches.
August-September 1972 which carried in to October by at least 10 days.
1600 SS's were made in the first batch with
650 sent to New South Wales.
550 sent to Victoria.
180 sent to Queensland.
140 sent to South Australia.
80 sent to Western Australia.
November-December 1972.
Aproximatly 1200 SS's made in the second batch.
With around 71 series 2's coming to WA
With a 2800 total production number.
2561 sold in 1972
239 sold in 1973
The first cars were finished 18th August 1972
Public relations release was August 23 1972
Initial deliveries to dealers in Victoria August 23 1972
First public showing at the Sydney Motor Show August 25 1972
National Advertising commenced September 1st 1972
Dealer Advertising September 3rd 1972.
Price at release $3295
They all came out with 253,M20 and 3.36 salisbury diffs.
There are three paint types.
Infra Red 568 15413 also called Bluey
Lettuce Alone 568 15466
Ultra Violet 567 15338 also called Smokey
There were two trim types in the SS's.
Black 10C and Black 10D.
C - Black Belmont trim with black and white hounds tooth cloth inserts.
D - Black Belmont trim with black and raydo flax cloth inserts.
All first build cars were fitted with 10C trim.
Some early second build cars had the 10C trim fitted to them but the majority were fitted with 10D trim.
These trim and paint codes are unique to the SS's.
Also being a Sydney HQ from 9th 1972 it will not have the drive line details on the tags.
The earliest SS I have seen with that type of tag on is 12th 1972 build.
Cheers Paul.
I just PMed you back and then found this post.
If you can pm me your email address and I will send the information through to you.
If you can send me larger versions of the pictures it will help out a bit more.
Ok guys here is a little bit of information on the SS's.
They were all made in two batches.
August-September 1972 which carried in to October by at least 10 days.
1600 SS's were made in the first batch with
650 sent to New South Wales.
550 sent to Victoria.
180 sent to Queensland.
140 sent to South Australia.
80 sent to Western Australia.
November-December 1972.
Aproximatly 1200 SS's made in the second batch.
With around 71 series 2's coming to WA
With a 2800 total production number.
2561 sold in 1972
239 sold in 1973
The first cars were finished 18th August 1972
Public relations release was August 23 1972
Initial deliveries to dealers in Victoria August 23 1972
First public showing at the Sydney Motor Show August 25 1972
National Advertising commenced September 1st 1972
Dealer Advertising September 3rd 1972.
Price at release $3295
They all came out with 253,M20 and 3.36 salisbury diffs.
There are three paint types.
Infra Red 568 15413 also called Bluey
Lettuce Alone 568 15466
Ultra Violet 567 15338 also called Smokey
There were two trim types in the SS's.
Black 10C and Black 10D.
C - Black Belmont trim with black and white hounds tooth cloth inserts.
D - Black Belmont trim with black and raydo flax cloth inserts.
All first build cars were fitted with 10C trim.
Some early second build cars had the 10C trim fitted to them but the majority were fitted with 10D trim.
These trim and paint codes are unique to the SS's.
Also being a Sydney HQ from 9th 1972 it will not have the drive line details on the tags.
The earliest SS I have seen with that type of tag on is 12th 1972 build.
Cheers Paul.
Edited by HQ SS, 04 September 2012 - 10:41 PM.
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Nice work Paul, wealth of knowledge....
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:10 AM
Hi Paul.Hi Flano.
I just PMed you back and then found this post.
If you can pm me your email address and I will send the information through to you.
If you can send me larger versions of the pictures it will help out a bit more.
Ok guys here is a little bit of information on the SS's.
They were all made in two batches.
August-September 1972 which carried in to October by at least 10 days.
1600 SS's were made in the first batch with
650 sent to New South Wales.
550 sent to Victoria.
180 sent to Queensland.
140 sent to South Australia.
80 sent to Western Australia.
November-December 1972.
Aproximatly 1200 SS's made in the second batch.
With around 71 series 2's coming to WA
With a 2800 total production number.
2561 sold in 1972
239 sold in 1973
The first cars were finished 18th August 1972
Public relations release was August 23 1972
Initial deliveries to dealers in Victoria August 23 1972
First public showing at the Sydney Motor Show August 25 1972
National Advertising commenced September 1st 1972
Dealer Advertising September 3rd 1972.
Price at release $3295
They all came out with 253,M20 and 3.36 salisbury diffs.
There are three paint types.
Infra Red 568 15413 also called Bluey
Lettuce Alone 568 15466
Ultra Violet 567 15338 also called Smokey
There were two trim types in the SS's.
Black 10C and Black 10D.
C - Black Belmont trim with black and white hounds tooth cloth inserts.
D - Black Belmont trim with black and raydo flax cloth inserts.
All first build cars were fitted with 10C trim.
Some early second build cars had the 10C trim fitted to them but the majority were fitted with 10D trim.
These trim and paint codes are unique to the SS's.
Also being a Sydney HQ from 9th 1972 it will not have the drive line details on the tags.
The earliest SS I have seen with that type of tag on is 12th 1972 build.
Cheers Paul.
You've obviously recorded many more SSs than I have. You mention the that body ID plate with the driveline details started in Dec 72, did all SSs get the later VIN tag with the 8M69CRxxxx type stamping, as I believe these started 1/9/72?
Dr Terry
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