Hi all,
I had originally chosen to go a turbo 350 in my hatch behind a mild small block. I have been told that the number within the gearbox part number relates to the torque it was built to handle. The 4L65e box is significantly more expensive and only handles 8% more torque.
I'm wanting to go electronic and am not going to pit any shift kits in it. So do you think the 4L60e would handle the small block as a cruiser with the odd plant of the foot? If so, are any particular models better i.e vt or vz?
Also, anyone have experience with converting these types of box to push button?
Cheers
Tom
4L60e vs 4L65e turbo 700
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:12 PM
Forgot to say that I want the 700 for the overdrive at 100k's
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:34 PM
you do realise the 'e' means electronic.as in you need the computer to run it (unless you change it to manual valve body with vacuum modulator)
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 08:52 PM
Yep, don't want to shift kit anything or have an out of place shifter. Just want to push a button to put it in drive, and drive.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:42 PM
you will need the factory computer to run it (assuming your using an ls engine) and i dont like your chances of adapting one to a sbc
4l80e is a huge box.say good bye to your trans tunnel!
a th700r4 hydro box is your best bet behind a sbc.but they wont last with big power for to long
4l80e is a huge box.say good bye to your trans tunnel!
a th700r4 hydro box is your best bet behind a sbc.but they wont last with big power for to long
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 07:02 AM
Try a 6L80E out of a VE if you are going to do tunnel mods. After driving one of these you'll never want a manual again, they are awesome!
4L65E is a much stronger box that an older 4L60 or 4L60E. They were used in Crewman, Cross8, tonner etc.
Wholesale Automatics do shift computers for the 4L80E, they'd probably do the 6L80E too. Give them a call.
4L65E is a much stronger box that an older 4L60 or 4L60E. They were used in Crewman, Cross8, tonner etc.
Wholesale Automatics do shift computers for the 4L80E, they'd probably do the 6L80E too. Give them a call.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:28 AM
So a 4L65-E from a 304 will bolt up to a small block? But they are weak.... Lots to think about
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:58 AM
I don't think you could get a 4L65E behind a 304 or 350 Holden V8. I think they only appeared in VY tonners and crewman. AFAIK they bolt up, just like a TH400 will to an LS1. I think there is some sort of converter mod or adapter but the housing pattern should be the same. I don't think the 4L65E is that weak. They handle the 2tonne of a VZ Avalanche with 360hp 350ftlbs and tow 2.5tonne as well! They aren't as good as the 8000lb boxes (3L80 (TH400), 4L80E or 6L80E) but are pretty good compared to the old 4L60 (TH700R4).
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:05 PM
After the aggravation i went through with the 4l60e i had in ls1 commodore i probably wouldnt touch one again!
I'll throw a curve ball into play now - How about a T400 with a GearVendors Overdrive unit behind it?
I'll throw a curve ball into play now - How about a T400 with a GearVendors Overdrive unit behind it?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:22 PM
I've pulled the 4l60e out of my torana to stick a glide back in it.
The 6l80e out of the ve are garbage if you have big power and a decent converter.
Either box will be a nightmare/stupidly expensive to use with out a factory computer.
I'd stick with a turbo350 and just let it rev.
The 6l80e out of the ve are garbage if you have big power and a decent converter.
Either box will be a nightmare/stupidly expensive to use with out a factory computer.
I'd stick with a turbo350 and just let it rev.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:51 PM
Sorry I meant 4L60-e from the 304.
Hmmm.
I'm happy to run standard computer. I just want something that fits, that doesn't rev hard, bolts up to a sbc, and will not break. I think it's too much to ask for though. Havnt thought about the 400 with the overdrive. Will look into it.
Hmmm.
I'm happy to run standard computer. I just want something that fits, that doesn't rev hard, bolts up to a sbc, and will not break. I think it's too much to ask for though. Havnt thought about the 400 with the overdrive. Will look into it.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:54 PM
Wholesale Automatics can put another set of ratios into a 4L80 when rebuilding it. I'd just talk to them if that is the path you choose.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:11 PM
you can also get a 4l65e behindI don't think you could get a 4L65E behind a 304 or 350 Holden V8. I think they only appeared in VY tonners and crewman. AFAIK they bolt up, just like a TH400 will to an LS1. I think there is some sort of converter mod or adapter but the housing pattern should be the same. I don't think the 4L65E is that weak. They handle the 2tonne of a VZ Avalanche with 360hp 350ftlbs and tow 2.5tonne as well! They aren't as good as the 8000lb boxes (3L80 (TH400), 4L80E or 6L80E) but are pretty good compared to the old 4L60 (TH700R4).
hsv's / series 2 monaro's
but yeah basicly just a standard box with corvette servos and bands
not a real big improvement over a standard t700
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:22 PM
Given Tom's original description of application one should be fine. As long as it is in good condition and serviced it should last a long time. Just like a TH350 or trimatic.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 06:08 PM
You can buy a stand alone transmission controller for the 4L60/65E & 4L80/85E.
There are several options, Painless Performance is one of them.
http://www.painlessw...archField=66501
There are several options, Painless Performance is one of them.
http://www.painlessw...archField=66501
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:43 PM
The 6L80 will have internal problems in the future
They are already eating valve bodies
Since they have no 1:1 gear they are always turning on the planetaries ... which means something always moving and wearing
I'd ignore that one unless your willing to do alot of programming and future rebuilding
For a mild smallblock you won't need to get too fancy and any of the above mentioned boxes would be more than adequate
I'd personally go for a cable driven TH700R4
Infact thats what I was thinking of using behind a 202 in my SS with a 3.9 final drive banjo
They are already eating valve bodies
Since they have no 1:1 gear they are always turning on the planetaries ... which means something always moving and wearing
I'd ignore that one unless your willing to do alot of programming and future rebuilding
For a mild smallblock you won't need to get too fancy and any of the above mentioned boxes would be more than adequate
I'd personally go for a cable driven TH700R4
Infact thats what I was thinking of using behind a 202 in my SS with a 3.9 final drive banjo
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:54 PM
Sorry I meant 4L60-e from the 304.
Hmmm.
I'm happy to run standard computer. I just want something that fits, that doesn't rev hard, bolts up to a sbc, and will not break. I think it's too much to ask for though...
Im sure there would be plenty of vette's and the like that ran this box behind a modern small block.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:43 PM
there are guys in the US that build the th700 for 700hp and the th200 for 1000hp, not sure about torque.
the parts to build the th700 very strong are about $700 US then you gotta pay for labour unless you do it yourself
the parts to build the th700 very strong are about $700 US then you gotta pay for labour unless you do it yourself
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:24 AM
Thank you to everyone for the comments. Has been very valuable.
I'm happy to try one of the 4L60-E boxes, at least to start with.
Next part, does anyone have experience with push button auto's. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the shifters to box (Havnt looked myself yet)?
Cheers
Tom
I'm happy to try one of the 4L60-E boxes, at least to start with.
Next part, does anyone have experience with push button auto's. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the shifters to box (Havnt looked myself yet)?
Cheers
Tom
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