Hi guys,
It probably sounds ridiculous and your probably veiwing this post for that reason but I'd really like to soundproof my shed at home so I don't attract the wrath of upset neighbours,wife,kids etc etc.
Does anyone work in this kind of industry or have any budget economical ideas that will be able to be implemented?
I'm always needing to use power tools mainly air operated ones running off a compressor so you can imagine how noisy things can be, I try to limit when I do it to when people won't care about noise but as you can imagine thats not always convenient. I'd love to be able to shut the shed doors, cut,weld,grind etc and not be pissin everyone in a 1klm radius off at the same time. I'd get more work done too!!!!!
Any ideas???.......any drummers,guitarists who economically soundproofed rooms? My shed is a basic 6M x 6M colourbond Tri-steel job with a concrete floor.
Cheers
Soundproofing a shed????
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, Jun 17 2006 08:03 PM
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 08:08 PM
Probably the cheapest way would be insulbatts and 3mm mdf.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 09:05 PM
I knew a guy years ago that used egg cartons to sound proof a shed to help cut down on noise from a pnuematic rivet gun that he was using on an aircraft he was building.
I am not sure how effective it was, but it took a while to get enough to do the shed.
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I am not sure how effective it was, but it took a while to get enough to do the shed.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 09:09 PM
If your going to be welding and grinding don't use soundproofing that will easily catch alight - you don't want any unplanned BBQ's. (Although if its good soundproofing and you are in the shed you won't be disturbed by the sirens on the fire engines).
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 09:22 PM
Second hand cool room panels. Be aware though that they are polystyrene and as mentioned earlier they can be a fire hazard if not covered with some other panelling.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 10:53 PM
What's the current shed construction?
The key to soundproofing is to elimante as much as possible all or any air gaps, as all the sound insulating measures in the world will be negated by the smallest air gap.
If it is sheeted, the best method is to use stick on acoustic tiles (bout 600x600 or 450x450). These tiles are like multiple resonator chambers (little hole on the front, big hole/chamber on the back). Quite cheap and easy to install on a plasterboard or solid surface. These little babies eat the sound, provided they are placed on a surface with reasonable mass. The more mass the better. The tiles are about 35-40mm thick. They just need to be installed to a reasonable area, not the whole surface.
Another cheap and easy way is to build a false wall that is at an angle of 3-5 degrees to the other walls. Did this using brick construction for music practice rooms at a local school, with some of the above panels on the ceiling. Worked a treat.
There are other products as well like wavebar (finely corrugated metal panels.
For the ultimate, you could use the foam finger panels like they use in anechoic (sp.) chambers. They have one of these at ADFA. These rooms have near to zero reverberation, a very weird sensation.
Hope that gives some ideas.
The key to soundproofing is to elimante as much as possible all or any air gaps, as all the sound insulating measures in the world will be negated by the smallest air gap.
If it is sheeted, the best method is to use stick on acoustic tiles (bout 600x600 or 450x450). These tiles are like multiple resonator chambers (little hole on the front, big hole/chamber on the back). Quite cheap and easy to install on a plasterboard or solid surface. These little babies eat the sound, provided they are placed on a surface with reasonable mass. The more mass the better. The tiles are about 35-40mm thick. They just need to be installed to a reasonable area, not the whole surface.
Another cheap and easy way is to build a false wall that is at an angle of 3-5 degrees to the other walls. Did this using brick construction for music practice rooms at a local school, with some of the above panels on the ceiling. Worked a treat.
There are other products as well like wavebar (finely corrugated metal panels.
For the ultimate, you could use the foam finger panels like they use in anechoic (sp.) chambers. They have one of these at ADFA. These rooms have near to zero reverberation, a very weird sensation.
Hope that gives some ideas.
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Posted 17 June 2006 - 11:08 PM
For the best solution, you could engage an acoustic engineer. They cost about $300, and provide solutions that work that don't cost a whole lot of money. Weird shit like clear perspex rings suspended from the ceiling (that was the solution for a music performance space). It worked!!!! All depends how seriously you want to solve it I suppose.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 12:28 AM
when i was in brisbane there was a hall where a brass band used for practice
they covered the walls in egg cartons
it was stated in the news paper articles at the time that it was one of the best insulators avaliable.
just keep in mind this was 15 years ago
just keep the grinding and welding away from it
if thats not possible get some tin and sandwich the cartons
tom
they covered the walls in egg cartons
it was stated in the news paper articles at the time that it was one of the best insulators avaliable.
just keep in mind this was 15 years ago
just keep the grinding and welding away from it
if thats not possible get some tin and sandwich the cartons
tom
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 12:33 AM
I asked my missus the other night if she could hear the angle grinder going out in the shed. 
She said yes. 
I said tough luck Gurly, call the council! :finger:
She said yes. I said tough luck Gurly, call the council! :finger:
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 12:38 AM
i'll quote you when i want to get divorsedI asked my missus the other night if she could hear the angle grinder going out in the shed.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 01:50 AM
You got that right but sounds awesome after a while.For the ultimate, you could use the foam finger panels like they use in anechoic (sp.) chambers. They have one of these at ADFA. These rooms have near to zero reverberation, a very weird sensation.
You have a couple of issues, construction and doors.
both these are vital. The doors will be one of the biggest issues as leakage. The not square walls does work well too but sound will get through most of the garage walls. so lining the walls is your only real option. May I suggest a smoke alarm in the garage and also a fire extingisher. Make sure it is a big one not a small kamrt teh fire will laugh at you size...
Use flame retardant on the wals and I would also look at gluing woodlen blankets to teh wall. This does a couple of this, firstly flame resistant, seconaly heat insulation.
Now the other construction material is AC sheeting. you might need to go to a few second hand places but have a great look around. Many product work well, some more than others but the engineer is a valuble investment. They deal with this sort of thing daily.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 10:23 AM
When I was with Dunlop they had/have a test cell that was lined with those foam sheets from Clark Rubber shaped like egg cartons and all different heights on the peaks and valleys. As Yello said it is the WEIRDEST sensation standing in there watching a tyre destory itself on the high speed drum and there is NO noise or echo!! Sends you batty after a while..
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 11:32 AM
I worked for a place that made acoustic boxes for noisy equipment.
They used sheet steel on the outside with 25 mm fibreglass bats in the middle and perforated sheet steel on the inside.
To increase the acoustic performance the thickness of the fibreglass was increased.
There were also acoustic foams available but were more expensive to use.
James
They used sheet steel on the outside with 25 mm fibreglass bats in the middle and perforated sheet steel on the inside.
To increase the acoustic performance the thickness of the fibreglass was increased.
There were also acoustic foams available but were more expensive to use.
James
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:20 PM
use egg cartons, they disperce the noise better.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 03:54 PM
It would help to put the compressor and any other big noisy things on some antivibration rubber mounts or the likes as the thumping of those things travels very well through the ground and foundations of houses etc.
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Posted 18 June 2006 - 09:32 PM
i heard that old matresses work but thatd be mighty heavy ay. if you want egg cartons approach a maccas store we get eggs in boxes. each box has bout 10 layers of eggs, each layer hold bout 36 eggs so its like a 6x6 eg carton. we go through roughly about 3/4 of a box a day so wouldnt take too many maccas stores that many days.
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Posted 20 June 2006 - 07:46 PM
Sound proofed the jam/recording room using carboard honeycomb bats, glued onto thin MDF, and placed in the windows. Yella is right on the money saying air gaps (such as between your shed door, windows, up through your roof etc) will foil your attempts for absolute sound proofing, however, you should achieve a friendly relationship with your neighbours using a fraction of cost and know-how.
The main thing to realise is sound travels in wave forms and the best way to stop it is to absorb it or trap it in pockets of air. So that means be mindful of where the gaps are, and where they are pointing. (If one is pointing to that shifty looking neighbour down the back sitting on his porch and polishing his shotgun, best to seal it moreso than others...) Egg cartons, foam, fibre glass, wood, matresses, whatever you can get your hands on will help if you're looking for the cheap option. A lot of the noise you produce (angle grinders, sanders, drills) will be high frequencies which are easy to absorb. Low frequencies such as bass are a lot harder to muffle.
Another option is to completely air tighten your garage and create a vacuum like the one in space. This will be a complete 100% effective away of eliminate all noise polution (in space, no one can hear you scream) the down side is it will be difficult to breathe and your head might implode.
The main thing to realise is sound travels in wave forms and the best way to stop it is to absorb it or trap it in pockets of air. So that means be mindful of where the gaps are, and where they are pointing. (If one is pointing to that shifty looking neighbour down the back sitting on his porch and polishing his shotgun, best to seal it moreso than others...) Egg cartons, foam, fibre glass, wood, matresses, whatever you can get your hands on will help if you're looking for the cheap option. A lot of the noise you produce (angle grinders, sanders, drills) will be high frequencies which are easy to absorb. Low frequencies such as bass are a lot harder to muffle.
Another option is to completely air tighten your garage and create a vacuum like the one in space. This will be a complete 100% effective away of eliminate all noise polution (in space, no one can hear you scream) the down side is it will be difficult to breathe and your head might implode.
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Posted 20 June 2006 - 09:49 PM
kill joythe down side is it will be difficult to breathe and your head might implode.
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