
New Car Trailer to be built. Tilt, Good or Bad other Suggestions.
#1
_walkinshaw_
Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:55 AM
What method do you use to secure the car to the trailer.
What length would you go for.
I’m in Vic so will go max width 2.5m.
Will have Long draw bar.
And will get drop axels.
Electric brakes over hydraulic. Yes/No
Other suggestions please let us know.
Who leaves there car in gear and who leaves in neutral when on the road.
Thanks,
walkinshaw
#2
_pinklx_
Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:33 PM
in gear
#3
Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:23 PM
tilt is my choice, use nolathane block and pin as connection (cuts down noise, borrowers as well)
4.8m x 1.85 for tray, fibreglass guards about 200 mm wide each side
straight axles with 13" wheels
hydraulic over ride and disk brakes
long draw bar that pivots just in front of front shakle
tie down loops underneath welded through floor
electric winch
built my own, last one I used for 20 yrs the one I have now is better
#4
Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:10 PM
Are you serious about 13" wheels? There isn't anything available to handle the weight. I was told to use 215/60 x 16 LT tryes as they are now very common. Which means they are easy to get second hand.
#5
_Sam I Am_
Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:38 AM
Id go tilt if you can handle the extra weight.
My last trailer was hydraulic tilt banana-back. It was good, but a pain to jack the bed up every time you used it.
New trailer tilts when weight is on the ramps and its way better. If you dont need to tilt, you can leave it pinned and use it as a normal car trailer. If youre loading something low you can easily unpin it and drive it on.
I tie down off little eye hooks that are flush mounted into the tray and pivot up.
1 ratchet strap per corner for me. Sometimes i cross the straps over, sometimes not. Basically depends on how far forward the tie down points on the car are.
I leave the car in gear with the handbrake on.
Check out the braking requirements you need in your state. Over a certain weight often needs a break-away braking system, and you might need to brake both axles.
I have 14 inch rims with light truck tyres. They can legally handle the GTM (3200kg). The possible problem with larger diameter wheels would be needing a higher guard to clear them, and you need the guards/sides to be fairly low so you can open the doors.
#6
_walkinshaw_
Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:19 PM
Thanks for the replies fellas.
"New trailer tilts when weight is on the ramps and its way better. If you
dont need to tilt, you can leave it pinned and use it as a normal car trailer.
If youre loading something low you can easily unpin it and drive it on."
Will go tilt as recommended above by “Sam I Am” with the
same method of tilt.
Electric brakes have been recommended have a few mates using
them and recon there pretty good’
Edited by walkinshaw, 21 February 2013 - 01:21 PM.
#7
Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:11 PM
#8
Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:13 PM
Are you serious about 13" wheels? There isn't anything available to handle the weight. I was told to use 215/60 x 16 LT tryes as they are now very common. Which means they are easy to get second hand.
my trailer is light weight, "C" section, square tube and folded checker plate strips for car wheels (no center)
total weight about 580 kgms
13" with light truck tyres no problems
fine for average cars, Toranas/Commodores/Fords etc
#9
Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:09 AM
I'd be going 4 wheel electric drums with onboard controller. When I got my trailer built originally, I had it built with 3tonne chassis, 3tonne rocker suspension, 45mm axles and axles setup for 4 wheel electrics. But I just put an over-ride coupling on it and rated it for 2tonne. Now it has been uprated to 4 wheel electric brakes (and 3tonne capacity) the difference in how it tows is phenomenal. Any sway that happens (which is rare behind a leaf sprung tow car if the trailer is weighted right) is instantly fixable by a quick tap on the brakes. There is no more banging and rattling from the over-ride coupling. And you don't abuse the brakes on the tow car like you do with over-ride brakes.
All it neds now is an electric winch with remote control. Everytime I use the wire rope boat winch I get worried about the damn thing snapping and cutting me in half! I ran big wires back to the big 12 or 13 pin trailer plug, and onto the trailer to charge an onboard battery, although it already has a small one onboard for the breakaway controller.
For tie downs see if you can put a row of bars across where the front tyres sit, so you can ratchet strap the tyres down. A few bars in the floor at the back will allow you to ratchet strap the diff down.
I also designed a unique rear tailgate for mine that uses the ramps. I'll get a photo and put it up later.
Edited by yel327, 22 February 2013 - 08:10 AM.
#10
_walkinshaw_
Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:57 AM
I'd be going 4 wheel electric drums with onboard controller. When I got my trailer built originally, I had it built with 3tonne chassis, 3tonne rocker suspension, 45mm axles and axles setup for 4 wheel electrics. But I just put an over-ride coupling on it and rated it for 2tonne. Now it has been uprated to 4 wheel electric brakes (and 3tonne capacity) the difference in how it tows is phenomenal. Any sway that happens (which is rare behind a leaf sprung tow car if the trailer is weighted right) is instantly fixable by a quick tap on the brakes. There is no more banging and rattling from the over-ride coupling. And you don't abuse the brakes on the tow car like you do with over-ride brakes.
All it neds now is an electric winch with remote control. Everytime I use the wire rope boat winch I get worried about the damn thing snapping and cutting me in half! I ran big wires back to the big 12 or 13 pin trailer plug, and onto the trailer to charge an onboard battery, although it already has a small one onboard for the breakaway controller.
For tie downs see if you can put a row of bars across where the front tyres sit, so you can ratchet strap the tyres down. A few bars in the floor at the back will allow you to ratchet strap the diff down.
I also designed a unique rear tailgate for mine that uses the ramps. I'll get a photo and put it up later.
yel327,
Mate she sounds like a beauty. Would be keen to see a pick
or two if you get the chance. Recon others would like to have a look too.
For the tie down points I’m aiming for some 3T or so rated
eyelets recessed into the floor, front and rear.
Would also be keen to see your tail light set up on the
ramps.
The electric trailer brakes certainly get a good report.
Sounds like you’re very happy with the end result.
What controller did you go for?
Did you stay with the conventional globe for your lights or
go LED?
What did you do for rust prevention other than the usual
painting process?
Thanks to you and all the above for your input.
#11
Posted 22 February 2013 - 11:37 AM
Here are the ramps. They sit across the back as a tailgate, you just drop the stabilising posts to release them, posts are used to stop the trailer from dropping too much at the back when car goes on, also allows to to put a car on and off when trailer is off the tow car.
[attachment=27621:Ramps1.JPG]
Another view. Type of lights is obvious, as is the corrosion protection chosen:
[attachment=27622:Ramps2.JPG]
Here is how the number plate is done, just a HQ-HZ sedan, coupe, Statesman or LH-UC Torana or Sunbird rear number plate flap:
[attachment=27623:Ramps3.JPG]
Front and diff tie downs (diff is just a hole in the floor so the 3tonne ratchet strap can go around the 50x50 chassis member):
[attachment=27624:Front tie downs.JPG]
[attachment=27625:Diff tie down.JPG]
Breakaway and auxiliary 12V socket (for lamp, compressor etc):
[attachment=27626:Side.JPG]
I built it to be a "box" as well as a car float. The only mistake I made before galvanising was no to put enough tie downs along the sides for use when carrying stuff other than a car. You can see the big U-bolt tie downs on the front of the "box", on the draw bars, at the rear under the ramp lips and you can just see the RH side one in front of the ramp "post". I should have put a few along the edges as well, but what i'll do now is cut some holes in the sides and add the bolt in eye-hooks.
When I first built this I painted it is 2-pac, but unless you build the trailer so EVERY surface is painted, with no steel overlaps it will rust unless you are away from the coast. I made the decision to spend the money to get it blasted and galvanised. BUT, do it before any paint goes on, it is very hard to get a previously painted trailer galvanised. The blue stuff on the RHS is OK to galvanise.
Edited by yel327, 22 February 2013 - 11:38 AM.
#12
Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:27 AM
#13
Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:30 AM
Mine just drops at the rear on the rocker suspension. Stabilising posts can be used to control how far it drops too.
#14
_walkinshaw_
Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:24 PM
That is a job well done.
Full credit to you yel327.
#15
Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:12 PM
The idea for the ramp tailgate came from a mate's trailer. On his it had C-channel at the rear, standing upright and the ramps dropped in between them. It was fine with small cars like LH Torana etc but the problem was when you put a Holden or Statesman on it it hung over the ramps and you couldn't put the ramps back on, so they had to lay under the car. With it this way they can go on easily even with a bargeass Brougham, Statesman or ute/van on it.
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