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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:22 AM

Hi all I want to now is there a bracket that you can buy to mount the VT commodore caliper to the HQ stub axle I don't want to buy a kit

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:15 AM

I think this is something you would have to make yourself.......



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

Yeah I asked a guy that sales kits on eBay if he sold the bracket on its own his answer was just buy the kit

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:14 AM

Be pretty straight forward to make...once you sort out what ever rotor you are going to use, you could make a template for the bracket to get it sorted out then just cut them out of some steel or aluminum plate.  Basically how I did mine to suit the Brembos to HQ stub. (I used 5/8" steel plate)



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:15 AM

Was it CRS that sold the caliper bracket kit for HK-HX drum brake stubs?



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

Wow ls1 hatchback that's thick plate can you put photos up for me to get a idea

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:55 AM

The Commodore mounting isn't that far off so there's not really room for an adapter bracket without changing the whole pad carrier part of the caliper; the ones I've seen simply weld up the original mounting holes and drill new ones in the right spot. Then bolt on to the HQ stub and use adapter hubs and Commodore discs.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:56 AM

That was just a thickness that worked out well for me...yours might depend on just where the caliper sits in relation to the spindle of course...

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:58 AM

Oh, and obviously the diameter of the rotor is going to govern where you want the caliper to sit as well..mine are 360mm.  (as is the rotor height and hub that you use as for how thick/offset the bracket will be as well)



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:11 AM

I'm just using stranded slotted HQ rotors and thanks for the photo did you use new rotors and brake pads to set up for the bracket

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:30 AM

VT calipers are poo

They also suit a 28mm thick disc

HQ disc is 25.4 when new

So as the pad wears the potential for the pad to flick out of the caliper increases

 

I strongly advise against using this caliper and design



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:50 AM

Just use some 1/4" plywood between the pad and caliper....help take up the slack. :D



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:53 AM

I'm just using stranded slotted HQ rotors

 

So why change the calipers?



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:53 AM

Hehehe, I can smell something burning.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:59 AM

I'm just using stranded slotted HQ rotors

 

So why change the calipers?


 

 

Obviously the calipers he has won't rescue them.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:12 PM

I'm just using stranded slotted HQ rotors and thanks for the photo did you use new rotors and brake pads to set up for the bracket

 

Just use modified HQ PBR calipers or UC PBR with HOLDEN pad carrier. Unless you are racing the car they'll be fine for the street use.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

i have been reading lots of stuff on hear about HQ brakes on Torana LH / LX ......all the info that i have collect on here leads to this set up .....HQ  stubs ,rotors and calipers .....now correct me if i am wrong but Toranas LH / LX are lighter than the bigger  heavier HQ's so should stop better .....

and you can buy replacement pads from anywhere......and all parts are GM ......and there is no need for fancy brackets



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 04:54 PM

It all depends on how much the car weighs, many times you want to be able to stop and from what speed.

 

HQ discs on a Torana are probably all you need driving on public roads at the speed limit. If you want to stop from higher speeds or more often then you are going to need more brakes.


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

which is why companies like hoppers and upc are around to take the hassle away
if you don't feel like paying the squillions they want for thier kits find out what parts they use and
adapt them to suit...or use brembo brakes adapt them and pay squillions...

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:26 PM

Ok the deal is that I'm putting a v8 in my lj torana and will be drag racing it so I want it to stop with about 500hp I like to stop and if I go bigger engine later at least I have the brakes there and don't have to up grade them

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:41 PM

Do some home work .....see what others have done and what they are using ......

Go back and read Datto's post about VT calipers in his words "poo" and wrong size for the HQ rotors



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:18 PM

Drag racing is the opposite of normal motorsport

500 HP in an LJ should put you in the 10 second bracket if you can get it to hook up

Thats going to require the whole car to be reconfigured with cage etc.

 

Why put big heavy cast iron rotors on with big rotating mass with skinny little front runners ?

Might be worthwhile looking at something smaller and complimenting it with a matching rear disc setup

Most dedicated drag cars run larger rear brakes than front since thats where all the tyre is

 

I know you say your going to do some street use too... so maybe I'm overfiguring it

Either way... the VT caliper is rubbish... there are better options out there 

Thats why no-one uses them in their kits

Hoppers use AU2 calipers... Mr ebay uses VE calipers... though they are huge thick discs too.

Keep investigating. There are other options out there.

Sounds like you might have some calipers laying around or just want to do it on the cheap... its likely to cost you more in the long run though 



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:16 AM

Thanks datto man so what caliper should I use with the HQ rotor someone said UC torana will that just bolt start on and I will be driving it on the street as well

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:27 AM

FWIW my UC would weigh more than an LC/J, has about 700HP and runs over 140MPH in the 1/4".

 

I still have standard UC discs and calipers on the front and rarely use the rear brakes.

 

They do get hot and produce a bit of dust but they also get to cool down for at least an hour before I need them again.

 

As Datto pointed out, the tyres are really the limiting factor, I can lock them up pretty easily with a 3/4" master cylinder and no booster.

 

Just a bit of perspective for you.


Edited by Struggler, 26 August 2013 - 07:29 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:37 AM

Not sure what stubs you plan on using but if your going to use Hq rotors & stubs why not just match them to the correct caliper   "HQ" and then you have no hassel of needing any fancy brackets or just turn the disc diameter by 6mm like so many others ....Simples






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