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Started by _age_ , Jul 09 2006 07:24 PM

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#26 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 04:27 PM

with the #ucked hooning laws its even more reason to trailer a car like this to events. its still a street machine and as long as the owner enjoys it hes a winner.

cheers
GTR-XU1

Of course the owner is a winner, he's produced a really neat car... That is never in question.

The question still remains is a car that is unregisterable and therefor cannot be driven legally on the streets a street machine??
I think NOT.

Is it a great looking and performing car?
I think YES.

This debate will continue to go around in circles. There is no definitive answer that I know of.

With regard to hooning laws did you ever think that by driving illegal machines on public roads ever helped bring them about!!!!! I wonder who is to blame for that one?

Cheers
Herne (who drives a legally engineered and registered street machine)

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#27 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 04:46 PM

Herne, your car might be legal and engineerd but it wouldnt stop a melbourne cop from putting a canary on it even if you showed em your enginners report he would laugh at you and say he suspects its not roadworthy and your handbrake needs adjustment, your seats are loose and your windscreen washers arent working....Now you try and argue with these faults his just told you about, no chance canary here it comes!!!

That GMHLH is definatly a street machine, theres nuthing exajurated about it, nice tubbs, clean body, no turbos or emmision problems so the only thing that doesnt make that street legal is the BULLSHIT laws about modifying cars...Compare that to a Blown Tubbed 34 Ford, surely the 34 Ford is much more modified and axajurated but his allowed to call his rod a street machine..

Besides were do you drive such a quality car? Look at it, look at the detail and how clean it is, by driving such a machine on the street too often would need so much work to keep it in its current condition..Maybe the owner is content with just owning it and having the ability to drive it anytime he wish's...

John

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#28 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 04:48 PM

LOL

Herne

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#29 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 04:56 PM

I know its sounds funny man but iv had this happen to me...

Canary cos my wash's wernt opperative, they were just outa water..

John

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#30 _mike_nofx_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:04 PM

I agree a Street Machine should definately be street legal.
I also agree that cops could find a fault in just about ANY car. I would even think a real dickhead cop could find a fault with a BRAND NEW car!

Also, just because a cap passes rego inspection, does that mean its 'legal'?

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#31 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:16 PM

I know its sounds funny man but iv had this happen to me...

Canary cos my wash's wernt opperative, they were just outa water..

John

Yeah John I wasn't laughing at the fact that Cops from any state can defect a vehicle from another state that just goes to show how backward we are in Australia, we treat states like another country instead of having ONE set of rules.

What I was laughing at was the fact that I do applaud and appreciate the vehicle in question and many thers in that same category and yet I still drew a defence from you

Can't win

Cheers
Herne

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#32 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:21 PM

Also, just because a cap passes rego inspection, does that mean its 'legal'?

I guess it depends who does the inspection and passes the vehicle. Certainly some backyard type garage owners with a stamp might be more leniant than say our own ACT pit inspectors but then they the dodgy garage ones are slowly being eradicated aren't they?

One would like to think that a vehicle that is carefully inspected by qualified and accredited inspectors would be legal. Again we should have one standard in Australia and this is obviously not the case.

Cheers
Herne

Edited by Herne, 11 July 2006 - 05:22 PM.

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#33 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:42 PM

What I was laughing at was the fact that I do applaud and appreciate the vehicle in question and many thers in that same category and yet I still drew a defence from you Can't win

Not so much a defence mate, just an explanation.. I know how much you appreciate the vehicle in question and my comment was not in relation to yours or my respect or appreciation of other vehicles..

I was more in conserned about the reson behind why this car isnt allowed to be classed a STREET MACHINE..

On another level i can also see how proud you are of your car and your acheivments in making it a legal and engineerd car, maybe it was you in defence of all the hard work and merits that have been put into your car and then only to see others drive and expect the same treatment as you from the police, after you put in all this effort and hard work it might seem unfair to you..

Oh and Herne none of us can win, not with the way car culture is heading in this country.

John

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#34 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 05:57 PM

John, surely a street machine by definition means on the street?? at least thats my interpretation of such a beast. One that cannot be driven through legal requrements might perhaps one day be given another name. Perhaps a show and performance vehicle type name - separating it from Street Machine....

I agree with you stating we may never win with the culture taking certain directions in this country

Cheers
Herne

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#35 _TORANR AMORE_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 06:13 PM

That car is a street machine, in my opinion and would have the majority vote as such by other enthusiasts.
He has obviously trailored it so that he wouldn't get hassled or unfairly shafted.
He could have also prepared the car at home for racing like dumping the exaust at the extractors or changing the carbie for example.

One thing is for sure, that is one NIIIIIICE street machine! :rockon:

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#36 _mike_nofx_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 06:55 PM

Herne - Just curious, Yes your car IS a Street Machine how it is right now. But if you were to add larger sized mags, or lower it, would you consider it not to be a Street Machine anymore? would 16" mags be illegal?

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#37 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 07:09 PM

I get what you meen Herne as the definition of STREET MACHINE but that car can clearly be driven on the street and all it would requie is a bonnet scoop and engineers report for the rear tubb work(thats if it hasnt allready been engineerd).

Like mentioned my Toranr Amore he was probly just being carefull or might have prepped it for racing therefore thats why he trailers it..Then again his pure intention might be only to show the car in special events like Easternats, Summernats etc..

Either way its a nice machine.. What iv always thought of a street machine is a car that is done up by its owner for eg: fat tyres, mags, chrome, custom paint etc: and is driven all at the same time, but times have changed and this cant be done with out you getting an EPA or Unroadworthy, yes you would get a canary in the past but it was easy to fix.. Simply take out your lowerd springs and put a set of stock rims on your car, fix any defects that were picked by the cops and take it to a local cop shop and have the canary removed.. Nower days its EPA and canary and take the car to an engineers to make sure its safe to have fat tyres on it..

Tell me Herne when poeple started calling cars STREET MACHINES back in the early 70s did you need en engineers certificate to have a V8 in your LJ and run 10" T/As? I think not, so a STREET MACHINE then is now a classed ShowCar cos cops dont let it be on the Road anymore. Do you think your car would have required to be engineerd in that Era?

A STREET MACINE is a Modified car in terms of performance and looks, Regardless if the cops thinks its roadworthy or not its still a STREET MACHINE.

John

Edited by TORANASS, 11 July 2006 - 07:12 PM.

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#38 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 07:23 PM

Tell me Herne when poeple started calling cars STREET MACHINES back in the early 70s did you need en engineers certificate to have a V8 in your LJ and run 10" T/As? I think not, so a STREET MACHINE then is now a classed ShowCar cos cops dont let it be on the Road anymore. Do you think your car would have required to be engineerd in that Era?

Many snips....

John

I have one word for you John 'beauracracy' just wasn't as prevalent in the 70's today the powers that be thrive on it. Keeps em in jobs in other words.

I guess in the 70's the cars were not as safe as they are today and most people didn't have to mortgage their house to own a nice looking car that was not standard. However they WERE driven

the only time you saw a car on a trailer was when it had broken down. Well thats my memory of those golden days.

Cheers
Herne

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#39 _age_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 07:58 PM

just wondering whats a rough estimate of teh cost of a retrimmed interior leather or leather lookalike.

cheers adrian

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#40 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 08:27 PM

I Emailed Street Machine Mag and asked em what they think a Street Machine was and if the cars they put in there Mag were indeed Street Machines...

Well This was there Reply
Posted Image

Cheeky Buggers Hey..
John

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#41 _Herne_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 08:32 PM

John, LOL I rest my case as I am not sure if they know anyway

Herne

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#42 _MRNOS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 08:49 PM

The best example of a very fast, street driven, street legal, street machine is this. No other car of this speed or horsepower in australia is even close to being anywhere near as legal as this car, yes its not a daily driver but with a change of tyres and exhaust its 100% legal with the paper work to back it up. There's lots of "street machine's" in the top ten drag race lists in australia that are nothing more than race cars with dodgy engineering papers and number plates on them, and indeed alot of magazine featured Street legal/ street machine's that arent legal either. The magazines only want to show lots of money spent and bullshit factor, there are very few genuine street cars, and the rules for the "top ten" of various classes in this country are done to suit the people running them and their cars. So whats a genuine street machine? Legal, street driven and fast, if its on a trailer its a race car, drag car or a show car!

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#43 _TORANASS_

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 09:18 PM

That LC Isnt any differant to GMHLH, i bet he doesnt drive it to events with Slicks and dumped Exhast, doesnt make it not a Street Machine..

By the way the street machine email was just a joke, it was entirly my doings just for a laugh so i hope no one has emailed Street Machine abusing them lol lol lol

John

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#44 _Lostit_

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 08:27 AM

Firstly , not sure about other people , but in Melbourne , you really want to pick the days you drive and the time and location, with a modifidy car.

As for GMHLH , well besides the air filter sticking out bonnet which I perosonnally arent a fan of.. i reckon its a bloody horny looking piece of machiniery , and it runs a mid 11 with a 308/355 combo ... so it most probadly would be a little off it tits if you know what i mean.

As for the LC , yeah it is engineered and all that stuff. BUT as for being engineered and legal with all its latest adds eg tubs, 600 cube + motor , nitrous ... ahhhh im not sure... i know it was registered with a BB 454 originally. And unless my wrong but going by my own experience any modifications made after the engineers paper requires the car to be re enginneered. But it too is a bloody awesome machinery as well.

Going back to my first paragraph , most have seen my little mazda, well i can tell you just about every weekend i take my out , i will get pulled over and the car will be checked over, that all legal. Now a torana is sort of got a hooness reputation if you understand what i mean , they are classes like VL... so if a copper passes a torana 9/10 he will want to pull it over. Not sure if that makes sense, hard to explain over keyboard for myself.

As for easternats,springnats and stuff... cops are cops ( well in a bad way) Trailer is the only way to go , and a trailer gives you one more advantage,, after giving the car a flogging and if something goes bang ,, you can put it back on trailer ) . Because honestly you dont abuse your own car as you would if you entered these events.

Lostit

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#45 _timbotorrie_

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 08:40 AM

you blokes stop ya friggin bitching and spend some time writing some useful information, there are so many variables in this matter, no one is right in there opinions and no one is wrong :furious:

sit back and appreciate the GMHLH, get back on topic!

anyone got any more pics? i wanna see more!

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#46 _MRNOS_

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 09:21 AM

As for the LC , yeah it is engineered and all that stuff. BUT as for being engineered and legal with all its latest adds eg tubs, 600 cube + motor , nitrous ... ahhhh im not sure... i know it was registered with a BB 454 originally. And unless my wrong but going by my own experience any modifications made after the engineers paper requires the car to be re enginneered. But it too is a bloody awesome machinery as well.

Its engineered with its current setup, the tubs have always been there and as its always had the 454 in there and the car has never been without rego it is still legal even though now days you cant get a LC with that size motor in it legal, the block is still a 454 style block hence why its still legal, the nitrous isnt used on the street and the rear rims are changed to smaller street rims and tyres, when this car is driven on the street it is 100% legal and has survived many inspections while being driven

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#47 _Lostit_

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 12:10 PM

MrNos . not sure how uptodate your info is but the last motor in it before it dropped a rod was a 600cu Dart Big M Block ... eg not a 454 anymore .

But im not up to date with NSW laws .. but the nitrous in Victoria is totally illegal, used to be able to have it in car and bopttle but the bottle couldnt be connected up ... but now the laws have changed you cant have any NOS at all on car.

Either way personally i like the car regardless how 100% it is street legal.

And as for people bitching .. this is why its called a forum .. to openly discuss opinions/ideas regardless if they are completely off the beaten track ) .