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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:22 AM

When buying an old car to restore, a lot of the time it is usually unregistered & has not seen the road for a period of time. If none of the vehicle's identity details have changed since it was last registered, you can perform a REVS (or whatever it is called these days) check to establish if it is encumbered etc.

 

But what if it has had an engine change, or has no engine at all? The old REVS system needs both a VIN & engine number to perform the check & from my understanding, doesn't inform you if the vehicle is stolen or not.

 

Lets say you buy a Torana that has no registration or evidence of last registration, how can you check to see it hasn't been recorded as being stolen? From my understanding, unless you have a copper for a mate, you can't.

 

Lets say you buy a LH Torana registered & running with a 202 6cyl & you decide to fit a 308 & make it into an SL/R replica. As is common these days, you trawl ebay & Gumtree & find a suitable 308 to buy. How can you check before parting with your hard earned & then spending more on a rebuild & fitting it to your car, that it didn't come out of a stolen vehicle?

 

As much as we like to assume the vendor is legitimate, unfortunately this isn't always the case & I've heard of occasions where someone has pumped years of work & plenty of cash into restoring their dream car, only to find out come time to register the car that the engine or car itself has a dubious history.

 

There is a thread here about a early Monaro that had a ground up restoration & the owner is having to fight tooth & nail to keep the car because it was stolen twenty years or so ago, stripped, then sold as a bare shell with a dodgy number.

 

But if the VIN doesn't show evidence of being tampered with, or the engine number is original as stamped by the factory, the average person has no way of checking the history either way. You have to take the chance it all works out come time to register the car. Forget the RTA or whatever they call themselves, they won't inform you if there is a discrepancy until you go to register the car.

 

From my experience they can make the procedure for registering a car a very frustrating experience & they couldn't care less if you've spent tens of thousands trying to put your car back on the road. They only see things in black or white & generally have no real interest in customer service.

 

So to get to my point, do others feel as I do that we need some sort of system to be able to check an unregistered vehicle with no proof of previous registration or second hand engine's identity status relating to being recorded as stolen etc? I would be very interested to hear other's opinions.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Yes

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Yes

 

There needs to be a better system in place



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:46 AM

I thought there was such a thing - NEVDIS: National Exchange of Vehicle and Driver Information System

http://www.austroads...stration/nevdis

This is a database used by government agencies and contains national licence and registration records which include stolen status and the WOVR status.

In relation to vehicles, the database is searchable by registration number, VIN, engine number, or other identifiers (the chassis number for example).

 

The NEVDIS database is distinct from the RTA/Rego Authority in each jurisdiction but access to NEVDIS is issued to these agencies because it means they don't have to have access/licence to access every other jurisdiction's RTA/Rego Authority database - it is a central depository for information held by each.

 

My exposure to the NEVDIS and a state database depicts occasional discrepancies in the information contained in terms of completeness or additional information found in one database not found in the other.  It pays when you make an enquiry at your RTA/Rego Authority about the provenance of a car to ensure that any information they provide to you has come from both databases.

 

Cheers, TB



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:05 PM

Yes this is the type of reply I was hoping to get too. I know of that system & as far as I know, it is only accessible by members of the agencies you listed. From my understanding, the average person such as myself cannot access it to verify the identity status of say, a 308 engine block.

 

I tried this morning to do exactly as you suggested, contact the NSW RMS to verify whether there was a discrepancy with an engine number & their customer service officer was blunt to the point of rudeness. This person more or less told me to suck it & see for lack of a better term, if the engine was stolen. They would not divulge any information regarding this number to me.

 

Of course, if you have a close friend or relative who works for one of the government authorities or Police departments, it isn't that hard to perform a check, but for those who don't, their only option for the most part, is to jump in blind & hope it all checks out OK when they go to register their car.

 

I think this NEVDIS system should be accessible to anyone wishing to purchase a second hand car or engine. Even a proof of purchase from a business isn't 100% guarantee, the Monaro I mentioned above was purchased from a registered business in the form of a wrecker's yard from my understanding & hasn't helped the bloke who pumped thousands into restoring it.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 01:17 PM

Unfortunately like most things it is buyer beware.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 02:19 PM

Yes this is the type of reply I was hoping to get too. I know of that system & as far as I know, it is only accessible by members of the agencies you listed. From my understanding, the average person such as myself cannot access it to verify the identity status of say, a 308 engine block.

 

Correct Matt, but you can make a request, likely with a fee for folks in the RMS/RTA to do this NEVDIS enquiry for you.

 

I appreciate you spoke to someone at the RMS - can I suggest going to visit the RMS in-person or better still, identifying the applicable portfolio involved within the RMS for provenance enquiries as opposed to a crusty old call-centre person, or even a well meaning counter staff member who is not entirely sure of process and capability.

 

There is, or at least used to be (when the RMS was named the RTA), a 'VINS Data Integrity Officer';

Ph: 02 8335 9470

Fax: 02 8335 9455

Email: [email protected]

This office also produced a thing called a DRIVES Report - Rego History document as I understand it.

 

Likely cost you a fee but perhaps an opportunity to speak with the horses mouth as opposed to the other end.

Good luck with it.

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