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[BIG KEV]

I have a VE 6 speed box here if needed ,I went with the Magnum box

[axistr]

If you use the T56magnum extension housing there wouldn't be any shifter issues and you have the choice of using the mechanical speedo cable or electronic pick up if needed. I use both, cable for the speedo and the electronic pick up for the ECM input.

 

Although the extension housing will get very close to the floor brace a couple of small dents in it and a couple more in the floor will see a reasonable drive shaft angle. My shifter comes through the floor just in front of the floor brace, so I didn't have to cut and reinforce this area. My shifter lines up smack in the middle of the centre console.

 

 I'm not sure what a magnum extension housing is worth but it might not be that much difference compared to buying an aftermarket shifter assembly and try and make it fit. I think from memory the plate on top of the commodore T56 for a top mount shifter is a bit to far forward for a Torana especially if you intend on running a standard Torana console

[axistr]

Dug up a photo of my Magnum box. You can see the shift housing in red. The shifter top housing can also be spun around 180 degrees' if you want to move the shift position around 4" forward, but the rear position suited me best and the shifter lined up in the centre of the Torana console.

 

 

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[BIG KEV]

I think he bent the standard one to suit ,but I am sure he we let you know

[axistr]

As above Grant, cold bent the bar to suit, it's not hard to do.

[Oversteer]

I have a TR6060 and ls3 in my 74 LH 4 door..... its a big box that will require tunnel mods, its very bulky around rear housing unlike the Magnum box so that was an issue for tunnel /floor brace, also tight around front of tunnel.

 

Anyway my tunnel has been modded....i cut the tunnel out of a VE wreck and welded in. 

 

Not sure what shifter can be used, but i cut and shut the standard shiftter brace and linkages to get correct position.

 

I started out with a 3.55 rear diff....first is really short so its pretty useless and a 3.55 made 100Kmph in 6th ~1200 rpm....too low for the cam i'm using so it was shit couldn't use 6th until 120Kmph.

 

Installed 4.11 diff now and  i can use 6th nicely ~1600rpm @100Kmph but i think the ratio's are still shit.....its basically a 5 speed because there no use using 1st anywhere and now i have a stupid short 2,3,4 and huge jump 5 6.

 

As far as shift feel goes etc its agricultural for a modern box and with-out all the sound deadening and rubber couplings a VE has its noisey as shit.....apparently a common complaint in VE's as well.

 

TR6060 also has no slip yoke, so you have to get a tail shaft build with a slip in it like a 4wd and then use a alloy coupling/adapter on the back of the box, not much more expensive than getting a decnet tail shaft made but its a bit of a fudge....;only thing going for the TR6060 is they are cheap as shit, i paid less han $1k for mine but if i did it again i would just use a TKO 5 speed and you would have a nicer ratio set.

[axistr]

The Magnum box is a close ratio and is perfect with my 3.7 ratio and 17" wheels.

[Oversteer]

Hmm guess the issue is the VE SS box i have has the following ratio's ;
 

1st: 3.01
2nd: 2.07
3rd: 1.43
4th: 1.00
5th: 0.84
6th: 0.57
R: 3.28

 

Where as your TUET6000 has ;

 

2.66
1.78
1.3
1.0
0.74
0.5

 

Oh well lesson learnt....stay away from VE TR6060 if you have a bit of HP... 

[adrianh08]

Can you go with a cable clutch set up with the TR6060 or is it easier jus to retain the original set up from the VE? I have a whole car I'm getting the running gear from and being a bit old school I'm not sure how the clutch set up will work best?

[ozyozyozy]

I run a 6 speed, not the tremec tho.
No way was it going to get close to a decent angle without chopping the tunnel.
Used to use a TKO, even that required tunnel mods, can make them work for highway use, but at high speed, vibrations were norm.
other targa toranas had to do same mods.

As for the ve 6 speed noise, i forgot about that, have 2 ve's i work on.
with carpet removed they have alot of, what they call, rollover noise, very common, almost sounds like a shagged input shaft bearing.
As for strength the ve 6 speed, its done about 25k kms of race miles with 470rwhp in a 2 ton car, has been good to us so far.

Edited by ozyozyozy, 28 January 2017 - 11:45 PM.

[Bigfella237]

Can you go with a cable clutch set up with the TR6060 ~

 

Don't quote me on this but I think (at least some) Fords used the TR6060 with a cable clutch, Mustang maybe?

 

This is based on the fact that the T56 Magnum is available in two different configurations, one for GM (with hydraulic clutches) and another for Ford (with mechanical clutches)...

 

[grumpy xu1]

If you change the through out set up to a better quality unit & run dash 3 braided lines, there's nothing wrong with the hydraulic clutch idea they run from gmh. Mal wood supplies them.

[grumpy xu1]

I think xr6 turbo & v8 fg runs the t56 by memory, maybe the last of bf mark 2 ?

[adrianh08]

I have a TR6060 and ls3 in my 74 LH 4 door..... its a big box that will require tunnel mods, its very bulky around rear housing unlike the Magnum box so that was an issue for tunnel /floor brace, also tight around front of tunnel.
 
Anyway my tunnel has been modded....i cut the tunnel out of a VE wreck and welded in. 
 
Not sure what shifter can be used, but i cut and shut the standard shiftter brace and linkages to get correct position.
 
I started out with a 3.55 rear diff....first is really short so its pretty useless and a 3.55 made 100Kmph in 6th ~1200 rpm....too low for the cam i'm using so it was shit couldn't use 6th until 120Kmph.
 
Installed 4.11 diff now and  i can use 6th nicely ~1600rpm @100Kmph but i think the ratio's are still shit.....its basically a 5 speed because there no use using 1st anywhere and now i have a stupid short 2,3,4 and huge jump 5 6.
 
As far as shift feel goes etc its agricultural for a modern box and with-out all the sound deadening and rubber couplings a VE has its noisey as shit.....apparently a common complaint in VE's as well.
 
TR6060 also has no slip yoke, so you have to get a tail shaft build with a slip in it like a 4wd and then use a alloy coupling/adapter on the back of the box, not much more expensive than getting a decnet tail shaft made but its a bit of a fudge....;only thing going for the TR6060 is they are cheap as shit, i paid less han $1k for mine but if i did it again i would just use a TKO 5 speed and you would have a nicer ratio set.

Mate do you have any photos of the mod work you did to your tunnel to fit the box?
I am about to embark on this exact task and would be interested to see what you needed to cut out.
Thanks in advance.

[TUFFLXwa]

My car has a 6060 and a l98 out of a Ve ute. This is the tunnel and shifter set up that Cronic Customs have built.

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[adrianh08]

My car has a 6060 and a l98 out of a Ve ute. This is the tunnel and shifter set up that Cronic Customs have built.

Mate I really appreciate that photo. Very interesting. Have they braced it underneath where they have had to cut the floor brace out?
I've cut mine then raised it and re braced it into two sections then welded it all together so it is fundamentally braced the same was but all been raised high enough for flange and Tailshaft clearance. Yours looks excellent.

[TUFFLXwa]

The crossmember part of the original tunnel has been cut out and the new gearbox crossmember-tail shaft loop will replace the strength.

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[TUFFLXwa]

Under the car. No gearbox cross member

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[neglectedtorana]

Jeremy has your column got lowering spacers and if yes what is the advantage?
Comfy wheel height?

[neglectedtorana]

I have the TUET6000 and a short extension housing from Mal Wood and didn't have to cut the floor brace but did need a taller tunnel, sorry the pics aren't great

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[TUFFLXwa]

Tom, the colum is in the original spot. The wilwood pedal set up needed more room so I cut out all the tin work under the dash and made up a mount that gave more room.