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[Muzza]

Hi all I see there are 2 different starters for a V8 Holden, one having a side mount Solenoid and the other the solenoid appears to on top of starter motor

My question which one is best suited for a V8 in a LH running extractors

the Torana style side mount or Kingswood style 

thanks 

[yel327]

There is no Kingswood style, Kingswood is a trim/lux level like SL or GTR. Statesman, Holden and Torana should be the same for red engines and I think Commodore too. There was a change with XT5 (blue) engines but someone like Dr Terry will know more about that.

[Muzza]

There is no Kingswood style, Kingswood is a trim/lux level like SL or GTR. Statesman, Holden and Torana should be the same for red engines and I think Commodore too. There was a change with XT5 (blue) engines but someone like Dr Terry will know more about that.

 

My bad I was referring to H series v8’s vs LH, LX which appear to be different  as mentioned One has solenoid on top close to block and other has the solenoid mounted 90 degrees to the block

[yel327]

I never realised Torana was different to Holden starter motor wise.

[claysummers]

Kingswood, H series, I take this to mean HQ HZ, though could be HK - HZ or even WB, or HD - HZ even!?


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[yel327]

The correct terminology (as used by GMH) for HQ to WB is W body Holden and Statesman. H series is some wierdo invention, not sure where it comes from as it makes no sense, as you say Clay could be HD or HT or HX.

[Dr Terry]

There was a change made to V8 starter motors when the VB was released & this carried over to HZ/WB. Its location in the block was raised slightly & this also meant a change to the converter cover.

 

The starter will interchange on the W bodies as long as it has the matching cover.

 

Dr Terry

[Muzza]

There was a change made to V8 starter motors when the VB was released & this carried over to HZ/WB. Its location in the block was raised slightly & this also meant a change to the converter cover.

 

The starter will interchange on the W bodies as long as it has the matching cover.

 

Dr Terry

so for clearing extractors, would i be best to run a side mount solenoid or Top mount solenoid, the engine HZ, bell housing is early push type cable linkage ( LX set up) going into LH Torana 

[Muzza]

Top picture is top mount solenoid

2nd picture is side mount

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[claysummers]

Wait till I try that one of FB Byron, W series. Should be good for a chuckle.


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[yel327]

Top picture is top mount solenoid

2nd picture is side mount

 

I just checked the HJ and LH parts catalogues, Holden, Statesman and Torana all use the same part number for the 5.0L starter. The HJ lists a Lucas for 4.2 and the LH lists another Bosch, both different numbers to the 5.0L one.

 

Wait till I try that one of FB Byron, W series. Should be good for a chuckle.


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W body Clay, not W series. See example usage attached (first link) where they call the HX the 3rd W body revision. The Features manual is the defining document of a Series, in its own words (see second link) it provides a "convenient and authentic source of information and will serve as a reference when answering technical queries relating to our product". As an aside, note a lot of what they call "new" for HX was actually introduced to HJ at the start of HX restricted production (pilots), like disc brakes & 3300 standard, new colours, new trims etc etc. Note also on the 11th and 12th lines, where they call the base vehicles "Belmont and Holden models" as in Belmont sedan/wagon and Holden cab-chassis, ute and van. For whatever reason people cannot get into their heads that the base vehicles are simply called Holden in commercials.

 

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Top picture is top mount solenoid

2nd picture is side mount

 

I just checked the HJ and LH parts catalogues, Holden, Statesman and Torana all use the same part number for the 5.0L starter. The HJ lists a Lucas for 4.2 and the LH lists another Bosch, both different numbers to the 5.0L one.

[claysummers]

Very interesting reading Byron, particularly considering my second car was a HX Holden panel van, third revision of W body. HQ being the first revision of the original design?


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[yel327]

Very interesting reading Byron, particularly considering my second car was a HX Holden panel van, third revision of W body. HQ being the first revision of the original design?

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Yes. I’ve seen it a few times where the first is called initial revision, whereas the second often got called the first facelift or first update. In drawings we use Rev.1 as the initial release with drafts and issued for comment being Rev.A, B etc.

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[Shiney005]

I am sure that only "side mount" solenoids were used by Holden. (Check that the other one isn't for LS1 Muzza) There are 2 types of Bosch starters for Holden V8 though. One is 0.9 HP and the other is 1.3 HP, with the latter having a slightly different aluminium casting at the mounting face. This may have something to do with the revision Dr Terry is talking about.

 

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[76lxhatch]

To answer the question actually asked, yes the starter with the solenoid on top can be a better fit with extractors. But as always it depends on your exact combination of parts so nothing is guaranteed.

 

From what I've seen these are most commonly found on VN-VT, not sure if they were factory fitted or a replacement part but there are genuine Bosch ones around.