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[yel327]

I Rang holden up,they said it was a error from factory,or you saying it was a UR Torana LOL
I say it was a Monday Car the UR after the GMH Employee had a big weekend and dident run the stamp machine very well i reckon.
Any way GMH Customer service said is was a Error and No UR Rana

I meant the A, not the UR.

[yel327]

Seriously? Are you saying all ADR27A 308 manuals had no EGR valve? I'm perplexed now. What about 253 manuals?

BTW my hatch is 12-77 with just "COUPE" on plate(no A) and was a factory manual.

Some 308 manuals have no EGR. I'll check later when in front of documents. Not sure about 253. I do remember WB 253 manual might be missing EGR?

[xu2308]

I say the A stands for Awesome on the Rana Plate

[76lxhatch]

I say the A stands for Awesome on the Rana Plate

Nah can't be, because mine doesn't have it

[fuzzypumper]

Some 308 manuals have no EGR. I'll check later when in front of documents. Not sure about 253. I do remember WB 253 manual might be missing EGR?

I will waiting for your info, thanks.

All Ranas are awesome!

Edited by fuzzypumper, 12 June 2009 - 12:47 AM.

[yel327]

I will waiting for your info, thanks.

All Ranas are awesome!

My LX Parts catalogue is pre ADR27A, but the 1980 HZ one definitely shows both 253 and 308 as having a blank for the EGR valve for manual, so I imagine Torana would be the same. I'll look at HX and VB later but my guess is they'll be the same too. From memory the manual ADR27A 173 and 202 have a different cam to the HX engines hence they were HL, HM, HD, HE prefixed but the autos got the HX engines with an X prefix ie XQL, XQM, XQD, XQE.
Therefore i'll nail my colours to the mast for now (but happy to be proven wrong) that the A stands for AUTO given that the manual and auto engines are different for all 6cyl and V8 Torana LX with ADR27A. This may be true for HX and HZ too - will investigate further.

[yel327]

VB-VH 308 manual also have no EGR valve by the parts catalogue. Neither do low comp 3.3 in the same models.

[fuzzypumper]

VB-VH 308 manual also have no EGR valve by the parts catalogue. Neither do low comp 3.3 in the same models.

Thanks, I didnt know that. Its interesting to how they achieved anti pollution levels on a manuals.

[yel327]

I went through a heap of ADR27A cars at ClassicOzWreck today. Will post up results later.

[yel327]

OK, found these today:

8/76 LX TORANA SEDAN 4 DOOR A. L20 M40.

5/79 UC TORANA SEDAN. LD1 M40 (6 seater too with foot handbrake).

3/76 LX TORANA COUPE. L32 M20.

6/79 UC TORANA SEDAN. L18 MC6 (Sunbird).

10/79 (Same as above).

5/76 LX TORANA SEDAN 4 DOOR. L20 M15.

Except for the 5/79 174 auto all seem to support the A being AUTO also. I'll have to figure out if a UC high comp 173 engine has a different autoand manual spec engine.

The following also:

7/76 HX SEDAN L20 M15.

2/77 HX STATION WAGON L32 M15.

4/78 HZ SEDAN L20 M40 (hmmm, no A. Pagwood BHZ. Does make sense though as HZ L20 auto and manual are same engine spec).

12/78 HZ PANEL VAN L20 M40. (Elizabeth BHZ. As above).

12/77 HZ STATION WAGON L20 M40 (Elizabeth AHZ. As above).

8/76 HX SEDAN A. (Pagewood AHX. Bugger! Spanner in the works. Maybe Pagewood ran a different L20 for HX for auto and manual??)

[Toranavista]

My old SS 4.2 hatch was a August 1977 build and was an auto. No Coupe 'A' on the plate. The A for Auto sounds the most feasible but the problem I have is that the cars were assembled and then up to a 4 weeks later at times presented for compliance.
At this stage the Body options tag which would state Auto anyway would be attached and then the two other tags attached.

[yel327]

My old SS 4.2 hatch was a August 1977 build and was an auto. No Coupe 'A' on the plate. The A for Auto sounds the most feasible but the problem I have is that the cars were assembled and then up to a 4 weeks later at times presented for compliance.
At this stage the Body options tag which would state Auto anyway would be attached and then the two other tags attached.

I agree with you totally, but I can't find a better answer as yet. Silly thing is when the real answer appears it'll be bloody obvious. Like A=Afternoon shift!! Evidence points towards AUTO but it's far from conclusive. I've yet to see a manual car with the A so it may well have something to do with AUTO in the end.

In many cases longer than 4 weeks between BODY plate and ADR plate too. Example is the Pagewood B06 HX van I mentioned in a much earlier post. It's BODY plate would have been attached in Elizabeth and assembly and ADR plate completed fitment in the Pagewood plant many weeks later.

[Ando]

I know it's an old thread but just want to confirm something; 

 

The coupe or sedan "A" only appears on M40 equipped cars & only on Compliance tags after ADR 27A, which was introduced from 1/7/76. (engines tuned for automatics with the additional EGR valve etc.) 

 

So, there's no evidence of "A" appearing on pre-dated 1/7/76 cars or ALX.. tagged Toranas, even the earlier LH models?

 

I have a 4/76 build Torana - ALX.. M40 Coupe. It doesn't have the additional "A" but a mates 9/77 does have it on his CLX.. compliance tagged auto hatch.

Edited by Ando, 04 September 2018 - 09:45 AM.

[Bigfella237]

From January 1972 until June 1976 automatic vehicles had ADR 9 included in the list of ADRs on the compliance plate, manual vehicles didn't have it at all.

 

But ADR 9 was then repealed and from July 1976 onward, automatic vehicles were identified by the "A" on the compliance plate instead.

 

I'm not 100% sure of the exact changeover date but it seems logical that it would've occurred at the change from BLX to CLX chassis numbers?

[Dr Terry]

I'm not 100% sure of the exact changeover date but it seems logical that it would've occurred at the change from BLX to CLX chassis numbers?

IIRC July 76 is the change from ALX to BLX.

 

CLX was in early 77.

 

Dr Terry

[Bigfella237]

Ah yep, sorry, got the dates right but typo'd the letters (and there's no bloody edit-time left to fix it ), it was the change from ALX to BLX

[Ando]

From January 1972 until June 1976 automatic vehicles had ADR 9 included in the list of ADRs on the compliance plate, manual vehicles didn't have it at all.

 

But ADR 9 was then repealed and from July 1976 onward, automatic vehicles were identified by the "A" on the compliance plate instead.

 

Your right Andrew! I just checked my 4/76 auto hatch & the "9" is there.

 

My other 2 hatches are manuals & they don't have the "9" stamped on the compliance tag.

 

My mates 9/77 tag has the Coupe "A" without ADR "9" compliance number. 

 

It's now making sense! It's also another way of cross referencing if the Compliance tag matches with an M40 stamped Body Tag. 

 

Cheers 

Edited by Ando, 04 September 2018 - 04:56 PM.

[S pack]

The recommended cessation date for ADR 9 was applicable to any motor vehicle built on and after 1 January 1976.

[Ando]

This was a restored SS hatch that sold a number of years ago through an auction house. 

 

Looking at the tags, it seemed legit at first glance but looking at the compliance tag, it indicates it's an automatic with "Coupe A" stamped on it. The Body tag shows M21. I knew the interior trim was changed to slate & grey golf-ball when it was restored.

 

If I had noticed this anomaly then, I would have done further investigations with the tag numbers but I accepted it as it ok.

 

I bid on the car up until 1 bid short of the hammer falling. I didn't buy the car.

 

Looking at the numbers now puts my perspective in a different light.

 

It could be a factory mistake but makes me wonder now, if the Body & Vin tag was from another car.. 

 

 

 

 

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[Bigfella237]

Yep, I'd be fairly sure those tags don't belong together, with CLX040536M the body number should be up around 577xxxM

 

I would've thought 8D77TG J551169X should be from a vehicle about 6 months older, around November '76?

[Cook]

Mine is J550XXXX and it's Nov '76 car.  Cheers Ron

[Liz Clare]

This was a restored SS hatch that sold a number of years ago through an auction house. 

 

Looking at the tags, it seemed legit at first glance but looking at the compliance tag, it indicates it's an automatic with "Coupe A" stamped on it. The Body tag shows M21. I knew the interior trim was changed to slate & grey golf-ball when it was restored.

 

If I had noticed this anomaly then, I would have done further investigations with the tag numbers but I accepted it as it ok.

 

I bid on the car up until 1 bid short of the hammer falling. I didn't buy the car.

 

Looking at the numbers now puts my perspective in a different light.

 

It could be a factory mistake but makes me wonder now, if the Body & Vin tag was from another car.. 

WoW! I think this is the one I tried to buy at a Melbourne auction 10 years ago but couldn't afford...

 

Pheeew! looks like I had a lucky escape!

 

Cheers,

 

Liz

[tuxedoss]

Certainly the body number doesn't line up with the ADR plate date. Something else I noticed is the ADR plate looks a bit different, compared it to mine 7/76 and the stampings look very different,  the 31 and 34 are out on their own and the shape of the numbers is different. But the big thing i noticed is the ADRs  5B and 10B on that plate are stamped as 58 and 108, so the B is an 8, I imagine this would not be a factory error as the person typing these out has done thousands and knows its a B but if given to someone to reproduce who isn't familiar with the numbers  it could be stamped as an 8 instead of a B. But who knows maybe the person on the typewriter that day was a fill in

[S pack]

Hi Brett, if you look closely you will see they are B's not 8's. The inner shape of the B looks like an 8 but the outer shape looks like a B.

Very strange indeed. Does not look at all like the 'B' normally used by GM-H.

Personally I think the whole Compliance plate is suss.