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burnout/drift torana

Started by _blown350_ , Dec 29 2005 12:03 PM

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#1 _blown350_

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 12:03 PM

i love toranas,driftin,burnouts and v8s so i want to build a purpose built burnout/drift torana, the plan is a 4 door lh/lx, 2 bucket seats, no interior, roll cage
driveline would b welded up nine inch or locker with a 4 speed or mayb supra 5 speed [which would be better suited???]. and a 308 with around 300hp. any advice or help on the things needed to get the car driftin or doin burnouts better, [eg the handbrake???] or prices on items would be greatly appreciated. im on a fairly tight budget but wil be doin al the labour myself.

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#2 Peter UC

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Posted 29 December 2005 - 05:54 PM

Probably the simplest conversion for the handbrake is to use a UC one. However if your using it regularly you will stretch the cables pretty fast. The best sollution would be to convert the handbrake to a hydrolic don't know how to go about that one.

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#3 _MAWLER_

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Posted 30 December 2005 - 03:10 PM

For doing burnouts your 300HP 308 will do the job but a supercharged item punching out 450-500HP is what you want to really perform, the more torque the better it will spin the wheels.

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#4 _blown350_

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 10:12 AM

yea tru but how would a 6/71 308 handle the drifting? do u think it wil b too top heavy, also power steering wil help alot with the drifting, any advice on that? im just tryin to get as much info as possible before i start the project. thanks for the help guys!

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#5 _MAWLER_

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 01:27 PM

If you are worried about the weight then there is always a CAPA unit that will go under the bonnet.

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#6 shanegtr

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Posted 31 December 2005 - 06:50 PM

yea tru but how would a 6/71 308 handle the drifting? do u think it wil b too top heavy, also power steering wil help alot with the drifting, any advice on that? im just tryin to get as much info as possible before i start the project. thanks for the help guys!

ever watched the drift guys, they let the wheel run through there hands. So they dont do as much work as you think, and neither would the power steering, still busy behind the wheel but.

Edited by shanegtr, 31 December 2005 - 06:51 PM.

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#7 _workinprogress_

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 12:14 PM

yeh if you want your car just for drifting and burnouts there isnt much need to go for power steering. when your doing doughnuts or drifting the steering goes real light.

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 08:07 PM

if u want a burnout car u prob need a big blower out the top, cos nothing beats the sound of a V8 with a massive blower! but when it comes to the drifting as u said a blower might stuff up the balance a bit, but maybe with the right stengthening etc it could be achieved! nothing would look better than a driftin torry though!!! beat those ricers!

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#9 _workinprogress_

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 08:14 PM

i dont suppose you ever considered going for a 6 in your torrie. A supercharged 202 would pump out the torque and still weigh less or you could go ricer styles with a rb30/26 setup. But i dont encourage that

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#10 Heath

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Posted 01 January 2006 - 08:30 PM

If you want a complete under-bonnet powerplant then a hot six is probably your best option. Keep the weight down low and there isn't much weight there anyway, RB30s or Holden Sixes are both lethal with a turbo strapped onto them.

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#11 _blown350_

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 09:56 AM

yea wel the original plan was a rb30det but nothing would beat a blown torry at full scream on the pad or on the track showing the ricers how its done! though engine combo is stil undecided. its either a underbonnet blown 308 or 350, carbied. or with a lo blo blower or mayb if im feeling sensible a rb30. also the engine wil probably be n/a at first due to lack of funds but wil eventually be blown. would a low compression crate engine from suburban imports do the job? or mayb even an ls1?

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#12 _[BOTTLEDUP]_

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 04:04 PM

LS1 would be better, less weight.

Or a Leyland/Rover V8 stroked out to 5litres.

Or Toyota 1UZ...

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#13 Heath

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 04:30 PM

I'm not familiar with the 1UZ, but Leyland/Rover V8s are definately light enough, are engine mounts to suit Holdens readily availible though?

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#14 _blown350_

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:56 PM

yea ive heard good things about the 1uz but i believe they are expensive and if i went injected it would have to be a ls1. how much do u reckon the combo wil weigh? its only goin to hav two front buckets. a cage, chassis kit, no sound deadner,carpet,hood lining etc. just bare essentials but i want it looking good on the outside with chrome bumpers and workin lights etc. 1100 kg ???

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#15 _QIKSLR_

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 02:41 PM

I'm planning on getting my torry out on the drift track.

I drove my mates worked 308 torry last week. First time i'd driven it since we put the UC front end in it. The steering is lighter than my stock barina... Thats with 215s on the front and nothing special in the alignment dept.

Make sure u get a baffled sump and a fuel surge tank, because fuel/oil surge and sideways doesn't go.

You'll also notice that most drift cars are stiff as all crap in the rear. This helps with breaking traction. I've got a set of heaps low springs which I'll be putting in for burnouts/drift. I'm looking into how I can extend my bumpstops (I'm running flares, when the wheels hit the guards the bumpstops are miles away from bottoming out).

I seriously think a gutted torrie with 300+ horsepower and a locked diff is going to be more than enough to drift... At powercruise all the shit hot blown things spin out because they have too much power and they're rear track is too narrow when running stockies on a tubbed car. I'm putting mine on the bottle. The squirt would be nice to keep it bagging as your coming out of the corner, but I don't think its nessesary on the way in.

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#16 _blown350_

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 03:27 PM

yea thats wat i thought... 300hp is more than enough to start, and with a locker and real low or even cut springs the thing wil go everywhere except straight! though my dad brought up a good point bout the rev range and torque curve of a v8 compared to a turbo... the turbos hav the 'advantage' of the boost surge right where they need it mid corner. but the v8 should hav that torque al the way through rite??????? also should it be mini tubbed to get the tyres rit up there in the wheel well because i havnt seen any really low torrys except ones that r tubbed? thanks for the advice about surge tank and sump. i already knew about the sump but not really familiar with cost? do you know how much a baffled sump would cost?

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 05:56 PM

I have noticed when looking for steering stuff that the drift rice use spacers to make the steering rack longer and hence increase their steering lock so they can go more sideways.

I don;t know if you could get more lock out of the Torana front end but it may help.

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#18 _Hurricane_

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 09:29 PM

hey i come form ricer world

now hapily converted

all u need to drift is very hard suspension (very bone jarring ride on roads but track is smooth) and just stiffen up the chassis and body with sway bars and a roll cage and in any othe place that will make it alot tighter therefore being able to handle it better on track because you can predict it more easily (by the way 300 hp is easily enough....90 kw is enough but id say about 170kw would be recommended) sorry about mixed firgures dunnoe how to convert kw to hp?

....DONT FORGET TO COUNTERSTEER hahaha (most of the work is about 70% throttle control and countersteer but theres about 11 techniques)

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#19 _blown350_

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 10:11 PM

hurricane thanks for the advice, yea i have watched drift bible and there are more techniques than people think, also the hand brake isnt used as often as people think.
sorry Toranamat69 but i dont know wat you mean by spacers and what they do???
do you mean decreasing the amount of turns needed from lock - to - lock?
thanks for the help boys! i cant wait to eat some rice!

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 12:27 AM

The spacers go between the rack itself and the inner balljoints on the steering tie rods (you can unscrew these as separate parts)

Most steering racks use the housing for the inner balljoint as a stop so you can't turn any further in that direction - so if you space them out say 5mm, then the steerig can turn that little bit further before hitting the stop.
It sends you backward on the bumpsteer front but that doesn't seem to worry the drifters. If they have them as stiff as stated above the bumpsteer issues are probably not relevant anyway.

With the Toranas they have stops on the steering arms too so you would have to see if this could be done on the Toranas.

http://www.splparts....ntMultilink.asp

This site shows a set of the spacers - they call them steering angle spacers.

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#21 _QIKSLR_

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 12:14 PM

High Energy make baffled sumps for toranas. I think they're a few hundred bucks exchange. I got mine off ebay second hand for $90.

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#22 _slr6000_

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 12:12 AM

Im building a LX at the moment with drifting in mind and was looking at the steering lock as a problem. The way i see it the amount of lock you have will limit how much you can put the car sidways and keep it in control.
I was looking at sitting the car just just of the bump stops wich is ok on the back but on the front this limits the steering lock even more as the tyres start to foul the gaurds.
For engine choice you have to go for the V8, why not a Blown 350? you dont have to go for a 671 a 177 under bonnet blower would work well enough.

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#23 _Hurricane_

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 08:46 PM

personally i think rice cars are more suited to this style of racing as they are lighter and stiffer chassis and are practically built for drifting ....but if you set the torana up right there are no reasons why it shouldnt be as good or even better than rice cars

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#24 _QIKSLR_

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 09:08 AM

personally i think rice cars are more suited to this style of racing as they are lighter and stiffer chassis and are practically built for drifting ....but if you set the torana up right there are no reasons why it shouldnt be as good or even better than rice cars

If you went to summernats, you'd probably say that aussie muscle cars were almost purpose built for doing burnouts. But it couldn't be furthur from the truth. It's just that with the jap cars there are shit loads more aftermarket parts available to suit drift. But with the right knowledge and a bit of trail and error theres nothing stopping any of us from building a good drift car.

I reckon most of it's in the driver too. If you can give your torrie the best chance eg stiffen the chassis, baffled everything and tweak the suspension for over steer, with a fair amount of practise you'll be drifting.

I aggree with the steering lock issue though. Thats definatly a limitation..

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#25 _blown350_

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 03:50 PM

yea i dont see why a torana couldnt drift, its a nice meduim sized car with good balance and light wieght, its al in the setup! i also think the setup would work fairly wel during burnouts because its nice and stiff and tail happy so it keeps understeer to a minimum. i think the combo is goin to be a 300hp 308 and wen funds alow a home made turbo setup or underbonnet blower wil be the go! i greatly appreciate al the help every1 has given. I LOVE THIS SITE!