Wow... this certainly became a heated thread all of a sudden. I would add that Tiny is 100% right in saying:
I belive that Street machine has enough sense to realise that what has been said here is personal opinion and is not intended to harm their magazine. HOWEVER. I do urge EVERY user to watch what they say. The mod and Admin team IS watching to make sure that nothing is said that could harm a business or organisation as this sort of legal action is all too common these days. Something we do not want on this board.
This also extends to personal attacks made by other members against people who have only expressed an opinion.
SupaLJ denoted his first comment as only an opinion by writing at the end "just my 2cents." While any car forum is going to have an element of preservation (as per
majuva33) vs individualism (as per
Herne), I would think that labelling people as 'dreamers' or 'elitist' without knowing the context of where the argument is coming from (i.e. their own experiences with cars) seems to be the only negative occurence in this thread:
this realy gives me the shits everyone of you with a few exceptions has butcherd a car at some stage the people say that he stuffed an xu1 are dreamers wishing they have what he has if you own an original S model and chop flutes into it and put a bobtail on it does that put you in the same group as mr mad??
Am I in the same group, owning an LJ that is an S with flutes welded in from the previous owner:
- I didn't like the idea of it looking like an XU1, so I made it a GTR look-a-like
- I have thrown stupid cash & 6 years of my life at it, going,
in my opinion, beyond the point of being a dreamer
- I love the concept of it being a sleeper, i.e. looking like a GTR but with XU1 running gear
- seeing it as both an act of preservation and improvement. I couldn't care less now about it not having the genuine tags. I built it. It's mine.
- firmly believing that if it was a genuine XU1 or GTR, I would have left it factory.
The latter point is a
biggy. It's my opinion. I am entitled to it. I can however, couch or say it in such a manner that
doesn't offend anyone. Herne should be able to say what he believes without saying at the end of his post
Flame away guys I am way past caring and bullet proof to boot!
This highlights to me what is the only real problem with ANY public forum, not just this forum - mods and admin can't think for us in the sense of: "should I write that, it may offend someone." It is up to the individual to do that, and do it without resorting to personal attacks or labelling.
A long time member of the forums, I have often preferred just to read posts, without getting involved. I made the comment about MR-MAD being butchered because, like
SupaLJ, I think the end result could have been achieved with.... the same beginning as mine, an 'S.' I can substantiate my point of view by quoting SM itself: "A trained eye will notice that the rear wheel arches have been extended to house the extra wheel size. On the inside nothing from the factory exists anymore - it was all replaced with purpose-built suspension tubing and alloy sheet-work... exterior of the car is factory with only the necessities being changed... cut-outs in the sill panels for the exhausts, Perspex rear and side windows and the ever-so-menacing fibreglass bonnet."
SupaLJ is correct in saying it could have been done with an S. And no, nobody knows the condition of the vehicle when the project started. The article doesn't state that. But the end result would have been the same. Toranavista got it spot-on:
Agree we need to judge every car on its own merits (regardless of model/type), and accept that even if we dont like it we have to respect what someone does to their own car.
I respect it. I don't have to like it.
For my money, I liked how 82911 reponded to the thread:
And Camiras rule!!!
Owned 3 of them chop... great cars, sort of the modern day front wheel drive version of a Datto 1200!!!
Thrash the crap out of them then go buy another 1...
As for chopping up originals to go drag racing???
I'll just shrink back to someplace dark...
I owned a Camira for 5 years.
Again, I feel entitled to have an opinion about it. I don't have to like my old Camira either - or deny the shame I feel inside for owning when I could have bought a Torrie earlier.
Apologies for the essay, just adding
my 2 cents.
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