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Posted 03 July 2007 - 03:54 PM

Can anyone list which type of engine numbers came out with which specific model vehicle ?

Eg. HT prefixed engine Numbers were from LX Toranas, any other models also ?

Once the list is complete I reckon it would make a good sticky ... Maybe one for 6's and one for 8's.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 04:14 PM

Hi

Our friends at Old Holden have already made a list:

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http://www.oldholden...Engine_Prefixes

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 12:40 PM

Righto, have had a sticky thru all of that info above and now I want someone to clarify numbers on this engine I have found.

Engine No. VB 50#### (6 digits).

The casting on front of the motor looks sorta like "8 ISLA", where the 8 looks more like a flat screw shape metal dag than a figure as such??

Any help appreciated ...

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 12:56 PM

Hi pallbag, i have engine prefix VB listed as a VK engine=
4.9litre A9L (man) p/n. 92026253 if that helps.


Also cast numbers should read;
day of month= 1 to 31
month of year= A to L (in place of 1 to 12, skip I as not to confuse with number 1)
year= 1 thru to 0 (end of year number)

For example if yours was 15L8 then i would say

15th of december 1978, 1988 or 1998, but VK never produced in any of those years.
other tell tale signs for correct year are CID cast on side, Gear box choice and valley casting etc.

Edited by ALX76, 07 July 2007 - 01:11 PM.


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Posted 07 July 2007 - 01:32 PM

Thanks ALX76, So it is a 4.9 litre. Hmmmm as good as a 5 litre I spose.

Does the VB mean HDT optioned ?

Do the 4.9 still have 4 inch bores? Can no doubt be stroked as easily as the next Holden motor ...

Might go get a photo of the castings. It is in a HQ Ute at moment so gearbox wont help ID much extra ... What does CID stand for ?

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 01:47 PM

MISTAKE MISTAKE MISTAKE; A9L motor has VC prefix my answer should have read;
Engine prefix VB 4.9litre V5H p/n. 92026253
which is high performance engine which is 304 cid bore 4.00in x stroke 3.02
I believe these motors were fitted to VK HDT group three SS with large valves etc to be homologated to bathurst 84.
Engine was painted black.

CID = the engine size cast on the side of the block.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 03:05 PM

What does p/n. 92026253 stand for ?

So if I can get this one that has been freshly reconditioned for about a grand it should be OK value?

Included is a 465 holley, no name intake manifold, non elect dizzy, fan to flywheel basically ...

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 03:21 PM

p/n. 92026253= holdens part number for the V5H engine.

I am not saying that this motor is as holden fitted to SS and chasers but thats what the VB engine number prefix is pointing to. Correct cast date would reveal more.
Original motor would have been fitted with Rochester, Brock type inlet, large valve pollution cyl heads and electronic ignition.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 11:13 AM

Any suggestion for a good cam for this motor while I got you going ALX76 or anyone else for that matter?

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:32 PM

How can you tell what is a Brock or "B" type head?

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 08:21 PM

I've got a VB prefix 304. It is a black motor that came from a V5H optioned Brock enhanced VK Berlina. Its rated at 177kw with B cast heads. The first run of B cast heads had a 'B' cast into the back of them, very ugly looking B, like a bit of slag. They were a different casting of the big valve pollution heads and flowed a lot better compared to standard type heads. There was also a second run of them apparently that had no B cast into them.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 08:26 PM

Thanks for that ...

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 08:31 PM

There is also this site: Holden Engine Number Prefixes

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 02:19 PM

There is also this site: Holden Engine Number Prefixes

Thats Gold Al !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :spoton:

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 04:33 PM

Yeah, I stumbled across it one day and its a great help. Due to the number of useful links like that one that I have bookmarked, its almost easier to just do a google search than to actually find it in one of my very full bookmark folders.

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 08:21 PM

OK, this is what I have ... Can someone translate it to normal language. I am suspecting it is from a VK Brock/HDT of some description, A9L, built 19 Dec 1984.

What does A9L stand for in human terms, similar to L34 I am suspecting?

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Stocko manifold I am also presuming ...
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And now the heads, correct casting for B Cast heads?
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Posted 16 July 2007 - 08:26 PM

19 of Nov/Dec 84

Heads look the goods, rip the covers off and grab the part no.

Edited by ALX76, 16 July 2007 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2007 - 09:56 PM

Oh A9L is another code same as L34 bar the rollers etc but i believe this motor to be V5H the hot blue version for brock and the chassers but without the H/D rods like A9L/L34.

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 10:56 PM

Just noticed that the manifold has KC cast on the front (top) of it, you might want to budget for a performer for it, from the feedback ive had KC is one of the worst cast and designed duel plane manifolds avliable, even tracking down a good stocker might be the go.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 07:04 AM

I have got the Edelbrock Holden Perfomer manifold off the old engine that I was thinking about putting on it but thought I would just see how this one goes for now.

Maybe replace the 465 with the quaddy in a month or so, then if it doesnt perform near the old motor, probably then put another cam in (Crane 286) and then do the intake manifold swap.

I prob shouldn't have started THIS THREAD and asked in here ...

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 11:26 AM

This is a 304 black motor from a VK. With the B cast heads, they are rated at 177kw from the factory. Being a black motor, they have stronger 'x' rods which take larger rod bolts. These are not the same as the 'X' rods from the L34 engines, the x is smaller. I believe they also ran a mild cam, slightly larger than standard to go with the heads and a Brock type manifold which is the same as any black motor one but with the inlet from the carby modified to flow better. The Edelbrock Performer is very similar to the Brock manifold so that will be the go if you already have one.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 11:28 AM

V5H is the code used for a VK with an M21 running behind a 304. Its the code for the manual version of the motor. If the motor also had the B cast heads, its the Brock type version but they also used this code with standard manual 304's.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 02:18 PM

Oh A9L is another code same as L34 bar the rollers etc but i believe this motor to be V5H the hot blue version for brock and the chassers but without the H/D rods like A9L/L34.

Just to clear any confusion, this block would have been painted black from the factory, fitted with everything bar rollers, never thought they had the H/D rods tho.
Also thought standard 308/304 code was L31.

did you get the head part nos. yet?
Prolly looking for 92029003

Edited by ALX76, 17 July 2007 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 17 July 2007 - 03:32 PM

V5H was an option code for L31 combined with M21. All black motors had 'x' rods which were later replaced with 'A9L' rods for the efi motors

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 05:42 PM

ALX76, will get the head No's prob tomorrow or the next day ...

Am getting the engine painted Holden red as it is curently a poxy blue colour, not the Holden blue or even Ford blue. Not sure what the guy was thinking when he painted it, must have had some blue left in the shed at the time !!!




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