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how rare r g-paks

Started by _tubsy_ , Sep 19 2007 10:09 PM

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#51 Heath

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 10:15 AM

Nope. They were just all the popular options that were chosen on LHs, made into a package.

All 202/M20/3.36:1(?) Banjo. Three colour options and i think they all had the same interior, but the seat inserts may have varied a bit. I think at least all the doortrims were the same.

It's hard to verify one. But if it says it was built in the same period, is manual, has a black interior and one of those colours you can pretty much conclude positive

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 10:20 AM

If you feel like a gay when you get in, its a G-Pak.

(kidding ;D)

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#53 _JBird_

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 12:11 PM

Why can't you drift a Torana? I'm sure with the same modifications as you'd do to a 180SX, an LJ could drift alright...

Tim you would have to change the whole front suspension and go to a faster steering rack. The standard rack is too slow, the wheels don't turn enough and the wheel base is not wide enough.

Sure you can get the ass to hang out but not at the bigger angles and higher speeds a "cheap" typical drift/jap car can do.

So, sure you could get an LJ/LC to drift...you would just need to change just about everything.

Whats wrong with CA engines? They have the iron block = higher boost

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#54 Heath

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 01:05 PM

wheel base is not wide enough.

How can a single dimensional length measurement between the front and rear hubs be wide?

Are you saying that an LH/LX doesn't have a wide enough track? Because that can be fixed very easily.

Or are you saying the wheelbase is not long enough? I don't see AE86s being stretched out so that they can drift.

Or are you are saying it's too long? then I disagree again because Chasers and Laurels have much longer wheelbases than Toranas.

Steering ratio ain't the hardest thing in the world. I'm sure they do some pretty bloody serious work to most drift cars to get them to behave the way they want. Yes turning circle sucks balls but even modifying/swapping a front suspension system wouldn't be that hard. And I dare say the standard steering setup with a good driver would be fine for winning a few comps. I gather angle is not everything.

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#55 _JBird_

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 04:31 PM

Or are you saying the wheelbase is not long enough? I don't see AE86s being stretched out so that they can drift.

Steering ratio ain't the hardest thing in the world. I'm sure they do some pretty bloody serious work to most drift cars to get them to behave the way they want. Yes turning circle sucks balls but even modifying/swapping a front suspension system wouldn't be that hard. And I dare say the standard steering setup with a good driver would be fine for winning a few comps. I gather angle is not everything.

Rim was saying drifting an LJ wouldn't be too hard.

Wheelbase I was referring to proportionately how long it is too how wide it's track is. Im sure you understood what I meant.

I'm not denying you can get them to slide, but to say you could win a comp is just stupid.

Steering ratio affects how quickly/smoothly you can link corners up when drifting.
Lets not compare AE86s with LJ's, the 86 is lighter particularly when stripped out. Its wheelbase is just about right for its size. The same can not be said for an LJ.

In short, the LJ is inherently not a good car to use for competitive drifting and to compare it to a 180sx or some other "jap crap" is dumb.

Stop downplaying how hard it would be to make an LJ a competitive drift car.

Anyway I won't ruin Tubsy's thread anymore, if you want to continue PM me.

Edited by JBird, 25 September 2007 - 04:34 PM.

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#56 Heath

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 06:32 PM

Im sure you understood what I meant.

No, I didn't. If I did, I wouldn't have dragged my post out that long.

Keep in mind that most drifting (at least in australia) is amateur stuff. Young wogs taking their VRs and VLs out to Winton and stuff like that. Which is why I say any LC-UC with a bit of relatively simple modification and a good driver could be reasonably competitive in a bit of drifting.

Why did you repeat your point about the steering ratio? You do realise that I suggested that as something that would need to change?

I don't know how important weight is in a drift car... i mean a V8 Laurel or even RB Stagea would weigh a lot more than any Torana I would think.

I don't understand what you mean by track in relation to wheelbase, or wheelbase in relation to size. But I obviously don't know enough about the dynamics of vehicles...

cbf PM'ing.

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#57 _tubsy_

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Posted 25 September 2007 - 11:36 PM

Heath u haven't been to a drift event have u

Oran Park - Drift Australia - Round 5 - 2007

Toyo Drift Australia Series Oran Park top eight

1. Fernando Wiehrl (NSW, Auto Salon Nissan Silvia)
2. Christian Pickering (SA, Commercial Truck Sales Nissan 180SX)
3. Robbie Bolger (QLD, VIP Petfoods Holden Monaro)
4. Nathan Weissel (NSW, Gatorz Nissan Skyline)
5. Beau Yates (NSW, Team Peer Toyota AE86 Sprinter)
6. Chris Easton (NSW, JustJap.com Nissan Skyline)
7. Travis Dunstan (QLD, WinningBid.com.au Nissan Silvia)
8. Josh James (NSW, SprayFX Nissan Silvia)

2007 Toyo Drift Australia Series standings

1. Robbie Bolger (QLD, VIP Petfoods Holden Monaro) 2045
2. Christian Pickering (SA, Commercial Truck Sales Nissan 180SX) 2029
3. Fernando Wiehrl (NSW, Auto Salon Nissan 200SX) 1984
4. Darren Appleton (QLD, Team Peer Nissan 180SX) 1886
5. Adam Trewhella (WA, Japanese Wholesale Spares Nissan Cefiro) 1859
6. Beau Yates (NSW, Team Peer Toyota AE86 Sprinter) 1842
7. Leighton Fine (SA, Team Peer Nissan Onevia) 1805
8. Nathan Weissel (NSW, Gatorz Nissan Skyline) 1768"

ummm i'm not sure but can u see one vr or vl
drifting is as much a sport in Australia as the v8's it aint amateur and to say other wise is just dumb
oh and btw the monaro is the first V8 driver to win an Australian Drifting title
ever

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#58 _JBird_

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Posted 26 September 2007 - 01:11 AM

Okay I don't think Heath was implying a Torry could go and compete in the Toyo series or anything like that...more weekend skid pan crap.
I can't elaborate anymore on the wheelbase thing.

I repeated my point about the steering ratio because you said that "And I dare say the standard steering setup with a good driver would be fine for winning a few comps. "

No its not. Its too slow. It's not easy to change...take a look at Steven Coad's rally LJ...he's spent shit loads of cash to get Melbourne Performance Centre to make his suspension work for him. They've had to do those little bump steer graphs etc. etc. It's not easy as say getting a stock 180sx or whatever and weekend drifting.

Simply put I was merely pointing out that Rim's statement of "Why can't you drift a Torana? I'm sure with the same modifications as you'd do to a 180SX, an LJ could drift alright..." is wrong. A 180sx, needs for drifting...a 2 Way LSD, rose jointed suspension parts, maybe coilovers and maybe a hike in power. Where as an LJ needs....................................