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[ls2lxhatch]

If you already lashed out $1,000 for one of there STEEL pans for your engine just use that, if it fits.

What has taken 4 months to make a sump for your car? They should be on the shelf? We made one for a friend with his LS1 torana, engine in the car, just supported engine and dropped cross member and it was made, leak tested and fitted and running again in 4 days not months.

Everything on my car is custom made, not much bolts straight in. Depends if you wanna play you gotta pay or do it yourself the right way.

The CAE sump arrived today but they forgot the oil pickup.

It is sand cast aluminium. Apparently they had problems with the first batch of castings and then there were delays waiting for parts from Holden. ( Aluminum cap at the top of oil filter, Steel spigot for oil filter, sump gasket ).

Did you use the CAE engine mounts or make your own?

If you did use the CAE engine mounts and the Camaro sump fits then I will return the CAE sump and purchase a Camaro sump. If you made your own engine mounts then either your engine sits higher than an engine using CAE mounts or CAE lied to me about the Camaro sump.

[ls2lxhatch]

I gather from your post that you made your own engine mounts instead of using the CAE engine mounts.

If you made your own engine mounts then it is most likely that your engine sits higher than an engine using CAE mounts and that on an engine using CAE mounts the Camaro sump does not fit.

For the record we should get a definitive answer as to whether or not the Camaro sump fits with CAE engine mounts or that the Camaro sump will fit if you make your own engine mounts and raise the engine x mm above the crossmember.

The CAE sump is 40mm deep at the front and 70mm deep 300mm back.
The CAE engine mounts measure 100mm from engine to crossmember bolt. I do not know what the actual rubber mounts are from but they are the size of 6cyl Torana engine mounts without the interlock strap so when they break the engine will go thru the bonnet.

[LS1LX]

Andy can you post up a few pics of there oil pan and Ill show you the differences, also can you show me the engine mounts they sent you as it seems there products have changed in material and design in the last 2-3 years, they may have lifted there game.

[ls2lxhatch]

LS1LX,

These are the pictures of the CAE sump. I am sending it back as there are problems with the casting.

I am also concerned that the CAE engine mounts are not strong enough and do not have an interlock strap so if they break they separate completely. They are the size of Holden 6cyl mounts. CAE told me that they are HK/T/G 308 mounts.

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I rang Eagle Autos and got the following measurement's for the Camaro sump.

At the front side bolt hole it is 30mm deep.
90mm back it is 35mm deep
180mm back it is 70mm deep
190mm back it is 140mm deep.

The CAE sump measurement's are.
At the front side bolt hole it is 40mm deep
90mm back it is 50mm deep
180mm back it is 60mm deep
190mm back it is 62mm deep
270mm back it is 70mm deep
290mm back it is 140mm deep

The centre of the CAE engine mount is 110mm back from the sump front side bolt hole.

The measurement from the centre of the engine mount horn to the edge of the K-frame is 120mm.

The means that using the CAE mounts the deep section of the sump needs to be 100mm + 120mm = 220mm from the front bolt hole.

In theory this means that to use the Camaro sump the engine needs to sit 30mm closer to the firewall than the CAE mounts. The engine mount centre would be 70mm from the front bolt hole. 70mm + 120mm = 190mm.

At this point it would appear that the Camaro sump and your engine mounts are the superior to the CAE solution.

Can you measure from the centre of the front side sump bolt to the front face of the engine mount horn on the K-frame?
How much clearance is there between the heads and the firewall?
What car is the rubber part of your engine mount from?
Do you want to sell me some engine mounts?

Thanks

Andy

Edited by AndyCullen, 04 January 2007 - 10:20 AM.

[LS1LX]

Andy your spinning me out with all these measurements.

Look you have 2 options
1- you can cut and reshape the CrossMember, which I do not recommend from an engineering point of view
2- you can cut and reshape the oil pan to suit the cross member.

I used a camaro pan and cut a little bit out and added a little bit more to the side, so what I took out I put back in.

If you see my sump and that CAE sump they look identical as I have cut mine to suit around the cross member, they have just cast there's, but our dimensions will be within 1/2" of each other. But thy dont put back the extra 1/2-1Litre of oil capacity they just took out do they?

It's pretty easy, buy a new Camaro Pan and pickup, dipstick, windage tray etc. Its like $220 USD plus shipping, dummy fit the engine, cut and shut the pan to suit, get a TIG welder to TIG it back up and away you go. Probably cost you around $500.

If you hold the measuring tape in your hand all day it wont get the job done, just measure twice, cut once, trial fit twice and then weld once. Thats how it goes.

[LS1LX]

BTW I also stock new alternator rear braces, as with the CAE engine mounts you can no longer use the commodore alternator brace so you either need to fab something up or you can use the braces that I stock.

I also have water pump heater hose block off, there actually a GM part rubber hose moulded in a "U" shape so coolant continues to flow, this way you can block off your heater box and discard for more room, I wish I removed my heater box as it gives that extra few inches of workable room at the back of the engine.

[ls2lxhatch]

LS1LX,

Do you have any pictures of your sump and car?

Where can I buy a Camaro pan etc for $220 USD?

How much is the alternator brace?

What engine mounts did you use? ( The rubber bit )

I intend to keep the heater connected as it is a requirement for rego.

[ls2lxhatch]

I am in WA. It is my understanding that if the car was fitted with a heater standard then it must be retained. Even if it is not a legal requirement I would prefer to have a heater.

[LS1LX]

LS1LX,

Do you have any pictures of your sump and car?

Where can I buy a Camaro pan etc for $220 USD?

How much is the alternator brace?

What engine mounts did you use? ( The rubber bit )

I intend to keep the heater connected as it is a requirement for rego.

I still run the heater box as I wanted everything functional on my car, but as per rego you just need a working heater, you can removing the factory one and put a mini under dash unit if you need more room.

I run the CAE mounts

I'll try get pics next time the car is on the hoist, I should of taken some pics when it was out of the car the pan.

All GM dealers sell the pans for $220USD but its like another $200USD shipping.
I think Rocket are starting to bring in the pans as well give them a call.

[ls2lxhatch]

Eagle Auto Parts have the Camaro pan with dipstick and pickup for around $575.
http://www.eagleautoparts.com.au

I will wait an see what CAE have to say regarding the pan I am returning.

The CAE pan cost $900, does not include a dipstick and the oil pickup is on an exchange basis. At $575 for the Camaro pan complete you can afford to spend $400 on modifications.

[LS1LX]

Eagle Auto Parts have the Camaro pan with dipstick and pickup for around $575.
http://www.eagleautoparts.com.au

I will wait an see what CAE have to say regarding the pan I am returning.

The CAE pan cost $900, does not include a dipstick and the oil pickup is on an exchange basis. At $575 for the Camaro pan complete you can afford to spend $400 on modifications.

Ive got a brand new camaro dipstick and dipstick tube here if your interested, drop me a PM, it will be $100 delivered.

[lakeside]

here in vic a heater is not required for a RWC or registration..

you need one to demister the windowscreen

Edited by lakeside, 06 January 2007 - 11:28 AM.

[lakeside]

Where can I buy a Camaro pan etc for $220 USD?

try ebay in the US, cheap as. What about a ls1 truck sump or is it the same the camaro sump?