New engine for SLR 3300
#1 _darrenmark1_
Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:05 PM
What should i do to it?
It has to go very well but not stupid, i have never done a six before and I'm sure plenty of you guys have
so your advice would be great.
Crank?
Rods?
Pistons?
Cam????
Pushrods?
Head????
Valves?
Rollers?
Carb's. (want triples)
Headers?
It is a 4 speed manual.
I want to start collecting parts etc, anyone got any triples that would be good, i see em on ebay and have no idea what I'm looking at.
Thanks
Darren
#2 _oldjohnno_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 07:11 AM
Stock crankI have to pull the 202 out of the sons SLR and make it new. I would say it is standard bore.
What should i do to it?
It has to go very well but not stupid, i have never done a six before and I'm sure plenty of you guys have
so your advice would be great.
Crank?
Rods?
Pistons?
Cam????
Pushrods?
Head????
Valves?
Rollers?
Carb's. (want triples)
Headers?
It is a 4 speed manual.
I want to start collecting parts etc, anyone got any triples that would be good, i see em on ebay and have no idea what I'm looking at.
Thanks
Darren
Zero deck the block when you get it bored
Blue/Black/Starfire rods
ACL Race series pistons are nice but you can use cheaper ones for a streeter. Aim for 10:1-10.5:1 with your piston/head combo (PULP)
230 - 240deg @ 0.50" cam (solid)
Pushrods to suit valvegear
YT style 9 port head, 1.7 & 1.48 valves, but don't use one that's been overly hogged out
Std adjustable rockers are ok but check the usual spots for clearance, YT rollers are nicer
1-3/4" triple SUs
1-1/2" primary pipe extractors, 2-1/2" exhaust
Also use HEI dissy and coil from blue six
#3
Posted 27 April 2009 - 07:38 AM
#4 _Drag lc_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 07:55 AM
Hayden
#5 _torana_umunga74_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 08:33 AM
#6 _Allports_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:14 AM
#7 _Courage_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:38 AM
BTW if you are getting rid of the Head let me know
#8
Posted 27 April 2009 - 12:58 PM
or Tuff has a runner..think its QL? PM him
#9 _darrenmark1_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:17 PM
Or I have a HL SLR 202 for sale..stripped down....date stamp of block , head and exhaust manifold all very close...can have it for $75...
or Tuff has a runner..think its QL? PM him
Thanks mate what bore is it upto?
as for Tuff's thanks anyway but i want build it from scratch with the boy, so he can say we built it.
The bottom end really is no big stress, just gota find a set of starfire rods. there is some on ebay for $220.00 but then you have to start spending money on em. he also says he has some NOS ones for $500.00. What do you think of the prices? Is it worth getting ARP rod bolts put in the new ones?
The head is what concerns me, there seems to be plenty of different ones around. Anyone got a Yella head in good nick that they don't need? New or old?
What is a fair price to pay for the triples? i don't wana be pissin about trying to find bits and pieces for em, something that will bolt straight on.
#10 _Drag lc_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:23 PM
Thanks hayden
#11 _darrenmark1_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:28 PM
Darren, looks like that 202 is gonna crank... however might wanna check power/weight ratio.
BTW if you are getting rid of the Head let me know
The head will stay with me it is a numbers matched engine, they sell heads on ebay for $50.00, why would you need a new one? that is 35 years old, costs a
fair bit to have them done, better of buying a reco one of ebay if you need one. what is wrong with yours?
What do you mean Jol? Power to weight? Because he will be on his P Plates?
What sort of power do you expect out of a nice 202 ? I can't see anything to radical in the motor they are suggesting, sounds like a good balance
of reliability and power, the cops ( YOU ) haha, only say he cant drive a V8, they wouldn't have a clue what was done inside the motor!
Might be shiney and look the part but as we all know that doesn't mean Jack Shit! Cops aren't gona Dyno it or anything.
This is more of a car he can put away for later in life and drive on special occasions, that's why i will make it like a new car.
It maybe worth somethin one day, for a daily he will have a normal car.
#12 _darrenmark1_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:29 PM
dont buy them i sold a set a few weeks back with arp bolts used but ok for 128 . you could buy 2 hole blue motors for 220 . i would struggle to pay 50 for a set of blue rods.
Thanks hayden
Thanks for the advice! anyone got a good set?
#13 _darrenmark1_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:06 PM
or this
i know the first one is upside down!!
Thanks Darren
#14 _oldjohnno_
Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:58 PM
#15
Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:02 PM
That block is std bore but it has a lip so I would go a rebore one it.
I have a YT head too..$300
Fark...your in Melbourne.
BTW you'll pay about $350 for triples.
#16 _darrenmark1_
Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:31 PM
#17 _darrenmark1_
Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:37 PM
I have blue rods too...$60 a set...$10 ea.
That block is std bore but it has a lip so I would go a rebore one it.
I have a YT head too..$300
BTW you'll pay about $350 for triples.
Mate i will take the Rods. Msg Me the bank details with postage to Melbourne. Thanks
What is the Head like? Are the valves any good? Are YTH's ported etc, Am i gona have to fully reco it? I'm not to cluey on them is that like a 9 port head.
The block have you got a crank aswell?
#18 _darrenmark1_
Posted 28 April 2009 - 04:40 PM
#19
Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:21 PM
The head will work if you don't want to get it recoed now....its not stuffed...its so much like a 9 port that it is one.
If you have to send a head you may as well fill a pallet.
#20
Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:23 PM
#21 _oldjohnno_
Posted 29 April 2009 - 04:36 AM
Just get a lightweight YT steel one, don't buggerize around with lightened cast iron wheels. The YT flywheels aren't that dear. Think about a heavy duty balancer while you're at it, they are'nt absolutely essential but again not that expensive for the peace of mind.What about a flywheel? Lightened YT one? does anyone else make them, I have a L34 lightened Flywheel on my SLR and the weight difference is amazing.
#22 _Drag lc_
Posted 29 April 2009 - 07:20 AM
#23 _Squarepants_
Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:56 AM
Just wanted to give you an idea of price.
#24
Posted 29 April 2009 - 10:09 AM
they are about $400 from YT.
Buy a decent harmonic balancer and make sure you get the whole lot balanced (clutch, flywheel, crank rods, pistons etc etc) its not too expensive (cost me a couple hundred) and it gives you piece of mind.
I run ACL flat tops (larry perkins series) on Black rods (although I have some H beam forged rods in the shed )
Head wise, you can get away with a stage 3 holden head with a mild port clean up and a set of fresh decent sized valves.
My old 6 was around the 100kw mark (94kw) running really rich (too big needles in the carbies)
It was running a "stage 2 cam" (was a custom grind based off a crow cams stage 2 profile) holden stg3 head with mild port work, about 8.5:1 compression (bugger all really) lightened flywheel and triple SUs on long runner armours manifolds.
It was a tidy package, didnt like to rev much (about 4500 was the cutoff) but it was more then enough for flogging around on my red Ps and for a bit of my greens.
Now running 9.8:1 compression, ACL flattops on black rods, custom cam a smidge bigger then 35/75 (hydraulic), YT roller rockers, bit more portwork (still nothing major) Still running the triple SUs with same (BV needles I think) needles, fully balanced rotating assembly, YT flywheel, Electronic ignition, MSD 5 etc etc.
it goes ALOT better then before.
In 6-12 months time Im swapping over to 40mm webers which should see a bit more improvement again.
Id say for starters, build up something mild, the major costs come in machine work, throw a mid range camshaft in it with a whack of compression and some triples and let him get used to that for a while (its more then enough to get yourself into trouble)
Then throw a couple grand at it down the track and go from there!
my next engine (a while off now, Ive got a mortgage!) will more then likely be a blown and injected, so another step up!
I think I babbled alot, but anyway, have fun!
#25 _oldjohnno_
Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:32 PM
Edited by oldjohnno, 29 April 2009 - 08:34 PM.
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