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[Tiny]

Liam, Thats cause everyone HAS.. what this topic seems to be now is the older and more experiences and skileld guys giving some pretty valuable insights into what seems to be happening on our roads.

After driving past the written off 200SX in which the dirver died and the passenger was hospitalised and since unknown condition I'm open to hearing anything. Pretty sobering sight at 3Am on a sunday morning after working all night to KNOW that someone has just died not 5 M from wehre you are driving.

If even one person takes some information or a thought away from this topic and changes their bad habits.. then its worth it. all 16 pages of it.

[orangeLJ]

off the clock in my LJ Worked 202 wiht an Opel 4 speed box, and tripples.

Now that thats out of the way im gunna have a blurb about whats ben said so far. I being a P plater and having all my mates on their Ps can say that yes all of em think they can drive and no sweet fark all of them can. i've been driving cars since i was about 10 and racing go-karts since bout 7 or 8 and spedway for bout 4 years. I dont claim im the greatest driver on the planet but ive had a few encounters with wet roads and aquaplaning cars/locked up brakes, now my skills from my experience was the one thing that enabled me to know what to do, and be able to steer out of trouble and probably save my life on more then one occasion. I have mates who do 160 in their little jap shitboxes and try to take corners at warp sped (one almost killed himself and 4 of my mates while on the down south) Each of these people wern't what you would call "car people" and had no real ambitions to drive quick.... until they saw me racing or (dont tell my teachers) stupidly doin burnouts outa the skool carpark to show off to all the girls. Movies like fast and the furios and all the reat dont help much either.

After all that rant, one more thing, They keep saying that young people represent such a small portion of liscence holders but such a larger portion of deaths in accident, but the fact is it NEVER says that a young person was driving in that percentage of crashes, only that they died. think of it this way, someone with 4 kids on holidays, a whole family dies (assuming a 7 seater veichle 4 kids plus 2 parents) That means that 4 kids could be 20-15 or older and you get a 2:1 ratio of deths, couldnt this be a misrepresentation in the stats.

[Heath]

What is this exercise going to achieve anyway. Why would he have to stop in a hurry? If a Kangaroo comes out, you avoid it. If a car wants to hit you head on, you hit it. If a broken down car wants your assistance, you finish having fun, turn it around and come back to help.

No doubt he would have driven along the road then sped up on the way back, or on the second or third drive on that stretch for the morning/day.

So you can't say "someone may have built a brick wall across the road and he wouldn't have noticed it." or some other ridiculous excuse.

[RIM-010]

Heath

If a Kangaroo comes out, you avoid it.

If someone swerved around a kangaroo at 160 they would probably be worse off than if they hit it...

what else is there one can say?

one could just shut up and leave us alone.

RIM

[Tiny]

I'm sorry devils, I see the point your TRYING to make but in all honesty its a compelte waste of time.

The cold hard facts are we all learn really fast what the car can and cant do, and how long it takes to do it in varying conditions by actually doing it. The smart ones creap up to the edge of the envelope and when they find it theyre ready for it... they live...
THe dumb ones charge past the edge of the envelope at WOT and theyre usually the ones that dont live. I just hope they dont take innocent people with them.

Simple as that really.

We need to EDUCATE ALL DRIVERS ( not only the young... alot of the oldies need a refresher or to be actually taught correctly not just to pass a damn test like has been going on for years).
We need to educate them not only on driving skills like skid control and accident avoidance, but on forethought and anticipation skills, decision making skills and also vehicle maintenance skills. OH.. i think thats all called Roadcraft.

Anyway. Enough of the theorising i think everyone know's right from wrong I just want to say one more thing.

A drivers licence is a PRIVELIDGE not a RIGHT. You should EARN it.. not buy one.

Cheers

[tinkers]

one could just shut up and leave us alone.

RIM

Would you say the same thing to a cop?

[Heath]

Which direction is she travelling in at what speed?

Actually, it doesn't affect me. I respect you as someone with a wealth of knowledge on different aspects of cars where most people don't know anything about, so I don't want to get in an argument with you about it.

I do not wish to try and be a smartarse in this thread any more. What I do want to say is that I am not under the impression that driving far over the limit is safe. But that isn't my main concern (And I'm not a wreckless person).

Going to Heathcote or Winton and testing the limits of my car is quite simply as dangerous (This has absolutely nothing to do with emergency crews being on stand by), because you are still risking your life and your Pride and Joy

Like I always say to my mum when she's talking about danger and whatever else. I'm not a dangerous person, but I want to live. Every day of life has risks and you try and minimize those risks to a level that you feel comfortable in. I'm not a maniac on the road but I don't mind a nice squirt here and there when I am driving.

If you're questioning my ability or legality to drive, i'm a month away from my L's, so yes I break the law. To sort-of abide by the Government's restrictions, I am always supervised by a liscenced driver and indicate to other road users and pedestrians that I am unliscenced by displaying 'L' Plates.

Everyone in this thread have only been trying to encourage safety, but I think I desserve the luxury of learning from my mistakes, a luxury that all of you were given in your adolescence.