ncop has been 'coming in' in nsw for 4 years....
Changes to Vehicle Modification rules?
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Posted 16 June 2009 - 11:07 AM
I know that in nsw you take the tare weight multiply by 3 what ever it ad's up to is the how many litres your engine can be.
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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:14 PM
Original tare mass (kg) x 0.183
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max. capacity in cubic inches
Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0
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max. capacity in cc�s
Therefore a car weighing 1098kg, the max is 3.3 litres under LA2.
The above figures are taken from the review doc, not the current doc. Even so, when is this NCOP going to be adopted nationally?
Big T, those are the current QLD laws for 4 cylinders cars.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 12:15 PM
Thought it'd be Easier just to bump this old thread rather than making a new one... not sure if this has been discussed before but from doing a search could only find this thread.
Found this group on fb: http://www.facebook....71726756173489/
but it basically links to: http://www.infrastru...1jan2011_v3.pdf
and to quote someone from the facebook group:
Found this group on fb: http://www.facebook....71726756173489/
but it basically links to: http://www.infrastru...1jan2011_v3.pdf
and to quote someone from the facebook group:
Cars:
- You can no longer increase your tyre rolling diameter by more than 15mm for passenger cars. So for get about fitting a nice pair of 26" street radials on the rear of your muscle cars & no more 20-22" rims for the ricers.
- Replacement engine sizes will be drastically reduced. So no more 308's in LJ toranas, no more 350's in LX toranas, no more V8's in capri's or cortinas, etc, etc. And as for forced induction, with the limits to be imposed you wont even be able to turbo or blow your original engines in most cases.
- Streetrods will become a thing of the past.
4WDs:
- You can no longer increase your tyre rolling diameter by more than 50mm on your everyday ride. So no more fitings a set of 35's to your patrol or landcruiser and if your lucky you may just be able to fit a set of 31's to your hilux navara triton or rodeo. How crazy's that.
- You will no longer be able to raise your vehicle cab more than 6" total, inclusive of that resulting from suspension lifts, body lifts and from larger tyres.
- To get a vehicle lift (like just mentioned) for more than 2" engineer certfied will set you back thousands with all the bulshit testing that will have to be done on a closed circuit test track. From what I here it will need to be done on an unused air-strip, so you will be going somewhere like goulburn or somewhere in the sticks to do it & good luck getting an engineer to travel that far away to do it for you. This shit will end up impossible to get done.
- Bye bye modified 4Wd's and the massive small business workshops and parts industries that it supports. Hello social security.
Mini-trucks:
- Well all ive got to say is do you remember VSI-50 ! Bye bye chassis notches, drop-spindle & fitting 20" wheels. Bye bye minitrucks and the massive small business workshop and parts industries that it supports. Hello social security.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 12:27 PM
Says it right there:
While VSB 14 provides advice on the construction of Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICVs) and
the execution of modifications, it is not to be taken to be a design manual. Determination of
component strength, performance, suitability and functionality must be either calculated or
determined on a case by case basis by suitably qualified personnel experienced in each matter under
consideration.
While VSB 14 provides advice on the construction of Individually Constructed Vehicles (ICVs) and
the execution of modifications, it is not to be taken to be a design manual. Determination of
component strength, performance, suitability and functionality must be either calculated or
determined on a case by case basis by suitably qualified personnel experienced in each matter under
consideration.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 12:29 PM
[quote name='Lx-Torana' timestamp='1314670546' post='616985']
Thought it'd be Easier just to bump this old thread rather than making a new one... not sure if this has been discussed before but from doing a search could only find this thread.
Found this group on fb: http://www.facebook....71726756173489/
but it basically links to: http://www.infrastru...1jan2011_v3.pdf
and to quote someone from the facebook group:
[quote]
[b]Cars:
quote no more 350's in LX toranas, end quote.
Wrong....
Cheers
Herne
Thought it'd be Easier just to bump this old thread rather than making a new one... not sure if this has been discussed before but from doing a search could only find this thread.
Found this group on fb: http://www.facebook....71726756173489/
but it basically links to: http://www.infrastru...1jan2011_v3.pdf
and to quote someone from the facebook group:
[quote]
[b]Cars:
quote no more 350's in LX toranas, end quote.
Wrong....
Cheers
Herne
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 12:58 PM
ummmmmmm-
Modifications that will need certification-
Modifying the engine and engine components that results in an increase in engine power
of more than 20% and/or affects exhaust emissions.
Well im #@$^%&....
Modifications that will need certification-
Modifying the engine and engine components that results in an increase in engine power
of more than 20% and/or affects exhaust emissions.
Well im #@$^%&....
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:15 PM
The documents referred to are only valid for those states which have adopted the NCOP. And from I can tell, only apply to vehicles that require registration renewal (either through sale, transfer or new rego). So dont let your run out of rego Chris and all should be sweet 
QLD hasnt adopted the NCOP as yet so it's still 350 LH's and 308 LJ's for us
Well, for the moment anyway.......
QLD hasnt adopted the NCOP as yet so it's still 350 LH's and 308 LJ's for us
Well, for the moment anyway.......
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 01:22 PM
Just read through the whole thing.
There is a fair bit of over restrictive rulings in there, but there are also some relaxed portions such as fitting other manufacturers engines to early model vehicles and not needing a engineers certificate if its not more than 20% of the maximum power in that model (works well for LH-LX guys, use the L34 output etc)
the one thing I do wonder is, are the coppers going to have a portable dyno now?
There is a fair bit of over restrictive rulings in there, but there are also some relaxed portions such as fitting other manufacturers engines to early model vehicles and not needing a engineers certificate if its not more than 20% of the maximum power in that model (works well for LH-LX guys, use the L34 output etc)
the one thing I do wonder is, are the coppers going to have a portable dyno now?
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 02:46 PM
Unfortunately the coppers dont need tools, all they need to do is have a suspicion and then send us in for a test. They dont say our car is illegal, they claim it might be and thats enough. :(Just read through the whole thing.
There is a fair bit of over restrictive rulings in there, but there are also some relaxed portions such as fitting other manufacturers engines to early model vehicles and not needing a engineers certificate if its not more than 20% of the maximum power in that model (works well for LH-LX guys, use the L34 output etc)
the one thing I do wonder is, are the coppers going to have a portable dyno now?
With regard to the NCOP and rego etc, yes us guys in Canberra all know to at least register our cars within each 12 months (even if only for 3 months)whether its off the road or not
The price for forgetting is a possible complicated and exhausting trip over the pits...Cheers
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:11 PM
Where does it stand with the massive EFI conversion craze? Ive just put an EFI 304 in my VH commodore which was a factory 308. So in a way its a smaller cube engine, but in another more realistic way, its a shitload more powerful.... I gotta try and register it soon and most people have said its fine and i dont need an engineers cert... Guess Ill find out! Im in VIC by the way...
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 03:55 PM
The long standing rules with the EFI thing were generally that if you installed all the emissions controls that came with the engine (cats, charcoal etc) then it was fine.
But the confusion really starts if you have a pre pollution 308 with VN heads and injection with an aftermarket computer, where does that stand! lol.
But the confusion really starts if you have a pre pollution 308 with VN heads and injection with an aftermarket computer, where does that stand! lol.
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Posted 30 August 2011 - 04:33 PM
Most of that is the STD guidelines for everywhere anyway.
4WD height restrictions are already the same.��NSW already abides by pretty much that document.
And street rod regulations are totally separate, so this would have little effect.
If you get stopped and your car doesn't comply with your states regulations you're done.��And if the rules change on a Wednesday and you go cruising Friday night without adjusting to the new regulations, tough luck princess should you get pulled over.
I would have thought the coppers would make more revenue pulling every 4WD on theBruce Hwy over than targeting street machines.
In QLD we have TMR flying squads of Inspectors and the coppers hold you on the side of the road til these qualified mechanics turn up......
Grant..
4WD height restrictions are already the same.��NSW already abides by pretty much that document.
And street rod regulations are totally separate, so this would have little effect.
If you get stopped and your car doesn't comply with your states regulations you're done.��And if the rules change on a Wednesday and you go cruising Friday night without adjusting to the new regulations, tough luck princess should you get pulled over.
I would have thought the coppers would make more revenue pulling every 4WD on theBruce Hwy over than targeting street machines.
In QLD we have TMR flying squads of Inspectors and the coppers hold you on the side of the road til these qualified mechanics turn up......
Grant..
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