Saw this on another forum as a scan of a newsletter from the MTA
government announces ban on "repairable write offs"
This morning the minister for roads officially announced a ban on the re-registration of repairable written off motor vehicles to prevent car rebirthing.
on behalf of us at MTA NSW, I would like to thank the Body Rpair and Parts recycler committees for their efforts in making the NSW state Govt announcement on the banning of repairable write offs a reality.
This will truly be a turning point in our quest for industry reform in MTAs centenary year.
No individual can lay claim to owning this remarkable achievement, once again it is demonstrated that with key industry support MTA NSW can cause change and create history.
The MTA's commitment to improve our industry is no rated on any short term successes, even with an achievement of this magnitude there are still major battles to confront and win.
The NMVTRC is advising of adverse affests on the rest of the country, unless this decision to ban repairable write offs that we have created, does not go national.
It is the MTA's intention to ensure that this becomes the new Aus standard for dealing with written off vehicles.
The govt has advised that it will be amending a key piece of legislation to make is strong and robust "later this year". Some exemptions will apply, mainly to collecters vehicles but also for some others. The MTA will provide more information to you when it becomes available.
seems like some toranas may be saved (who decides the "collectable" factor... I may collect commodores????)
but overall seems like it will mainly benefit the panel shops as more insurers will opt to repair cars rather then writing them off.
but will kill my on the side hobby (when I have spare cash) of buying and selling...
No more repairable write offs?
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:17 PM
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:23 PM
insurance cost will probably go up now wont they?
so what is the main reason for bring this in?
so what is the main reason for bring this in?
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:23 PM
Older cars cant actually be classified as "Repairable Write-off's" can they?
It's probably a good thing i guess? Actually i'm not really sure... Is this NSW only?
It's probably a good thing i guess? Actually i'm not really sure... Is this NSW only?
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:25 PM
insurance will go up cos write offs are a pain in the arse for everyone. more repairs will need to be done, and it also helps to get old cars off the road since you wont be able to buy back ur write of right?
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:44 PM
it will mean more cars will be repaired now as they cant recoup the same amount of money by selling as a statuary write-off.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 03:45 PM
Ok - question:
Are all "write-off's" counted in the same manor? Eg. I can understand if a car is crashed, and bent in half, with major structural damage, then yes, in this case, writing it off, and not allowing anyone to ever repair it again.... fair enough...
But what about "financial" write-off's.... eg. a nice neat VS Commodore gets hail damage. Let's say the market value of the VS is $2500, but the repairs are going to cost more than half that value, therefore it's written off..... would this seriously mean that this car can never ever be repaired and driven again? Simply because of some dents???? There is no structural or mechanical damage, only cosmetic dents.... ?????
I wonder if the other states will follow.....
Are all "write-off's" counted in the same manor? Eg. I can understand if a car is crashed, and bent in half, with major structural damage, then yes, in this case, writing it off, and not allowing anyone to ever repair it again.... fair enough...
But what about "financial" write-off's.... eg. a nice neat VS Commodore gets hail damage. Let's say the market value of the VS is $2500, but the repairs are going to cost more than half that value, therefore it's written off..... would this seriously mean that this car can never ever be repaired and driven again? Simply because of some dents???? There is no structural or mechanical damage, only cosmetic dents.... ?????
I wonder if the other states will follow.....
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 04:57 PM
You have statuatory write off that cant be repaired and repairable write off that can...by getting rid of repairable right off you stop the dodgy backyarder fitting a new guard and a bumper and selling a death trap...got its merits...I hope it goes that all stat right offs have their vehicle ID destroyed and then rebirthing "should" be a thing of the past.
It should also mean that parts are cheaper....as the vehicle is now just the sum of its parts...not being looked at that it will take x amount of time and money until it gets back on the road.
It should also mean that parts are cheaper....as the vehicle is now just the sum of its parts...not being looked at that it will take x amount of time and money until it gets back on the road.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 05:50 PM
I want to know more about this if anyone is keen to elaborate, but I'm not convinced it's a bad thing...
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:00 PM
I just hope it's been thought through properly. There's a heap of policy being written at the moment for policy writing sake, and not necessarily good policy.
I suppose time will tell.
I suppose time will tell.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:13 PM
Let me get this straight... They want to ban repairing repairable cars????
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:14 PM
i wonder if it will also affect stolen recovered cars that go to auction as a repairable write off
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:16 PM
Late model rebirths have just been given another life.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:12 PM
They want the insurer to fix them...and if they don't want to fix them they become parts.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:25 PM
Yeah, but there will be a lot less cars that aren't just instantly repaired in the first place, right?Let me get this straight... They want to ban repairing repairable cars????
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 08:46 PM
In NSW for a repairable write-off. What is needed to get the car back on the road?
In vic we have to get a VIV cert and its a pretty big job to do $600+ just to get the viv cert. Then you have to get it RW and rego'd.
In vic we have to get a VIV cert and its a pretty big job to do $600+ just to get the viv cert. Then you have to get it RW and rego'd.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:06 PM
In NSW for a repairable write-off. What is needed to get the car back on the road?
In vic we have to get a VIV cert and its a pretty big job to do $600+ just to get the viv cert. Then you have to get it RW and rego'd.
receipts of purchase of car ,parts including vin number of the parts the car came off and repair bill,then rta inspection
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:09 PM
We have something similar here, i believe it involves taking the car to an RTA inspection station where they inspect the car, specificaly the area that was damaged deeming the car a write off for evidence of repair work along with any & all paperwork including WOVR ( written off vehicle registry ) records. They are getting stricter here on registering unregistered vehicles, especially if they've come from interstate. A good friend recently went through alot of drama registering a car he bought unregistered from Canberra. The NSW RTA wouldn't register the car until he surrendered the ACT number plates even though he repeatedly informed them that the previous owner had surrendered them in Canberra. He ended up having to get the previous owner to supply him with a stat dec to say the car had been sold unregistered with no plates attached & a copy of the surrender reciept from the ACT motor registry.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:13 PM
Yea my GF works for pickles auctions who get all the cars from insurance companies... As stated there are statutory write-offs which can never be re-registered.. Repairable writeoffs which need to be repaired for a approved and certified workshop and show receipts for all parts
But the cars that just have some hail damage and the insurance companies decide will cost too much to fix are not write-offs at all, they are simply unlicensed... If all the mechanicals/windows/safety features are in good working order anyone can take them over the pits the next day no worries.
But the cars that just have some hail damage and the insurance companies decide will cost too much to fix are not write-offs at all, they are simply unlicensed... If all the mechanicals/windows/safety features are in good working order anyone can take them over the pits the next day no worries.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:42 PM
and what happens to economic write offs?
i think this is the stolen recover catogory?
big help to all the auto dismantlers out there but i think everyone else will suffer due to higher insurance costs
and the panel beaters etc who fix these cars up for some extra cash
i think this is the stolen recover catogory?
big help to all the auto dismantlers out there but i think everyone else will suffer due to higher insurance costs
and the panel beaters etc who fix these cars up for some extra cash
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:45 PM
It would be a good idea if there were 3 types of writeoff :
Statutory writeoff - so badly damaged that it cannot be repaired and reregistered.
Repairable writeoff - mechanical/structural damage that can be safely repaired
Financial writeoff - miscellaneous damage that is not financially viable for the insurer to repair.
So under the new rules the first category would remain as is and won't affect anything.
The second category should see a reduction of the number of cars being written off by the insures since (as stated on here already) they won't bring as much money in the auction when they are only good for parts. (This may mean an increase in insurance premiums though.) So this means less new cars being bought to replace the damaged ones (better for the environment). It should also eliminate those dodgy unlicensed backyard repairers that buy wrecks and do a quick-fix to make a quick buck (yes I am looking at you orangeLJ - haha just kidding I'm sure you do a great job of your repairs - wish I had time, tools and space to do the same)
Also as stated already it should mean that damaged donor cars for our projects should be cheaper to buy at auction
The financial writeoffs under this new rule is a joke. There should be an exclusion for these, otherwise it will also push insurance premiums up and mean we may be junking a perfectly good car - which is bad for the environment.
Statutory writeoff - so badly damaged that it cannot be repaired and reregistered.
Repairable writeoff - mechanical/structural damage that can be safely repaired
Financial writeoff - miscellaneous damage that is not financially viable for the insurer to repair.
So under the new rules the first category would remain as is and won't affect anything.
The second category should see a reduction of the number of cars being written off by the insures since (as stated on here already) they won't bring as much money in the auction when they are only good for parts. (This may mean an increase in insurance premiums though.) So this means less new cars being bought to replace the damaged ones (better for the environment). It should also eliminate those dodgy unlicensed backyard repairers that buy wrecks and do a quick-fix to make a quick buck (yes I am looking at you orangeLJ - haha just kidding I'm sure you do a great job of your repairs - wish I had time, tools and space to do the same)
Also as stated already it should mean that damaged donor cars for our projects should be cheaper to buy at auction
The financial writeoffs under this new rule is a joke. There should be an exclusion for these, otherwise it will also push insurance premiums up and mean we may be junking a perfectly good car - which is bad for the environment.
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:07 PM
That's basically the dictionary definition of a write-off...But the cars that just have some hail damage and the insurance companies decide will cost too much to fix are not write-offs at all
The whole thing sounds like an April fool's joke still hanging around
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:16 PM
The whole thing sounds like an April fool's joke still hanging around
Yeah I had to double check the date of the original post when I first read it thinking it was exactly that...........
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:18 PM
What I wanna know is how does the consumer buying a second hand car unregistered know thats its a write off and can't be rego'd
REVS is no good for checking unlicenced cars
REVS is no good for checking unlicenced cars
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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:31 PM
What I wanna know is how does the consumer buying a second hand car unregistered know thats its a write off and can't be rego'd
REVS is no good for checking unlicenced cars
REVS and Licensing won't tell you anything about any cars anymore unless you are the owner, or 'prove' you are the owner by supplying rego, VIN and Make/model of car. Privacy laws are a joke in this instance.
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