any info greatly appreciated
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(i'm also interested in knowing more about putting fuel injection onto my 4door LC.. it has 3.3l blue motor out of commodore in it..)
VN 3.8L into LC coupe
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:04 PM
hey, i'm wanting to put a VN v6 into my 2door, has anybody on the forum done it?.. does it take much messing around..
any info greatly appreciated thanks
Kaney
(i'm also interested in knowing more about putting fuel injection onto my 4door LC.. it has 3.3l blue motor out of commodore in it..)
any info greatly appreciated
thanksKaney
(i'm also interested in knowing more about putting fuel injection onto my 4door LC.. it has 3.3l blue motor out of commodore in it..)
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:15 PM
V6 Conversions are the people to speak to, they can provide you with all the components you require, including engines if necessary.
www.v6conversions.com.au
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For the EFI onto a blue 3.3, most cost effective is to grab the whole kit and kaboodle out of a VK EFI.
www.v6conversions.com.au
I think...
For the EFI onto a blue 3.3, most cost effective is to grab the whole kit and kaboodle out of a VK EFI.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:25 PM
thanks for the site i'll check it out.. and i've got my eye on a vk with efi. i'm just wondering if it would be hard to put on..,May 9 2006, 06:15 PM] For the EFI onto a blue 3.3, most cost effective is to grab the whole kit and kaboodle out of a VK EFI.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 06:36 PM
A member from here called "Sammy" is the man to talk to when it comes to VK EFI.
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:48 PM
can be done mate... i was gonna do it in my lj but decided against it cos i wanted old school grunt.
what sorta 3.8 motor did u want or should i say from what series. vn vp vr
what sorta 3.8 motor did u want or should i say from what series. vn vp vr
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:05 PM
the 3.8 v6 is junk, it would vibrate the car apart. Better to put efi on the blue
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Posted 09 May 2006 - 10:48 PM
how can this be true mate as a v8 would creat just as much rumble as a v6...the 3.8 v6 is junk, it would vibrate the car apart. Better to put efi on the blue
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:42 AM
go and drive a comodore v6. Went you put your pedel to the metal, it near shales the engine apart. GMH don't start using buick v6's because they were a better engine even the nissan RB30, it was dollars. The gen3 another pile of junk that GMH got from the yanks after they were finshed with it.
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:53 AM
I would prefer to use the efi vk set-up.If you are going to do a conversion there are better set-ups than a buick v6.I have a vn s1 eng/auto in my garage & the only thing I would put that in would be a gemini to make a burnout car/thrasher.
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 12:58 AM
Pull your head out of it...
The LS1 is light years ahead of a Holden 6 or V8 in terms of power or efficiency.
As far as the V6 is concerned try driving an Ecotec Commo. A heap smoother, quieter, faster and more economical than an old 186 or 202. Only thing wrong with them is that woeful exhaust note, although that can be rectified by ditching the wasted spark ignition.
I've seen with my own eyes an internally std VT V6 make 450rwhp on a 36 degree day.
The LS1 is light years ahead of a Holden 6 or V8 in terms of power or efficiency.
As far as the V6 is concerned try driving an Ecotec Commo. A heap smoother, quieter, faster and more economical than an old 186 or 202. Only thing wrong with them is that woeful exhaust note, although that can be rectified by ditching the wasted spark ignition.
I've seen with my own eyes an internally std VT V6 make 450rwhp on a 36 degree day.
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 09:19 AM
,May 10 2006, 12:58 AM] Pull your head out of it...
The LS1 is light years ahead of a Holden 6 or V8 in terms of power or efficiency.
As far as the V6 is concerned try driving an Ecotec Commo. A heap smoother, quieter, faster and more economical than an old 186 or 202. Only thing wrong with them is that woeful exhaust note, although that can be rectified by ditching the wasted spark ignition.
I've seen with my own eyes an internally std VT V6 make 450rwhp on a 36 degree day.
kaney - I say throw the Supercharged V6 in it or strap a turbo onto that puppy, now that would be fun
.Totally agree, sure the early series of Buick V6's were terrible in the VN to begin with but every series they did get better and the Ecotec was a huge development step for that engine.
For proof of the potential of the Buick V6 have a look at Street Commodores Forum under V6 Vengence - simple mods to a shitter of a VN and it kicked ass at the drags.
The LS1 was/is bad in stock form (can you say piston slap
) but again with simple mods it can be a weapon of an engine.There is still a huge place for the S6 in the performance scene for sure but not everyone has to do the same thing.
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 09:39 AM
I've learnt from my younger brothers experience with VN commodores that a simple rebuild, nice cam, port work and larger throttlebody can turn it from a vibrating mess into a smooth powerful motor... He made 225rwkW in the end... Smooth as an ecotec to drive, sounds nice (with the 'right' exhaust combination)....
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 07:01 PM
you can get them to perform, but they still shound S*^t. i know, i had one.
piss off the balance shaft for starters, that takes care of a few noises...
piss off the balance shaft for starters, that takes care of a few noises...
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Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:06 PM
i totally agree the vn motor sounds crap when in standard form but do some work to it and itll solve the rattles and belive me they can make some awsome horse power. and when sticking it in a car that weight a little over half the weight of a vn itll move.
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 08:07 PM
why spend money building a buick v6 when (for a cheaper price ultimatley) you could drop in a new alloytec v6 190kw would go well in a lc/lj....only drama is that they are very quiet so you could beuild a sleeper...
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:16 PM
Oi, Alloytec 190 in LJ is MY idea!!!! nah, these little rigs got down and boogied with red sixes, so a VN V6, properly sorted, should get it ging nicely.
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 09:23 PM
Because Alloytecs blow up when you give them a beating... A lot like early Gen III's they start rattling and blowing smoke.
Mate has a VZ Spack ute, 46,000km on its second engine already... and its following the first.
Mate has a VZ Spack ute, 46,000km on its second engine already... and its following the first.
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shit never heard that they blow up.....learn something new everyday.
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Posted 11 May 2006 - 10:16 PM
wow. bugger that plan then, or i might wait for a few years so they can iron the bugs out. Holden are good at that. i mean, take the old Grey, fix it up and you have the RED!
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Posted 12 May 2006 - 10:31 AM
well .... as far as the alloytec's go i haven't had any dramas like that with mine, its recently ticked over 55,000km's and it gets a beating all the time with no dramas .... doesn't use oil, sounds smooth and quiet so im happy.
as far as what to do with the topic at hand.
1. go the v6 route, will cost alot more than the holden 6 efi route and will require engineers approval. however in stock form a vn/vp/vr v6 makes 125-127kw .... this is a significant amount more than a stock VK EFI motor ... and it is more economical.
as said above, if you want to go the v6 route i'd visit www.v6conversions.com.au and talk with them.
2. vk efi on your current blue 6 .... having the blue 6 in there is half the challenge, fitting and connecting the EFI is fairly straight forward after that.
theres a user on here with the alias efi-202, he has an LC and has just recently rebuilt a motor for it with EFI he should be able to help you out with fitment questions.
as far as how much is involved with the EFI conversion have a look at an article i wrote on the subject, basically i tried to do an as comprehensive step by step article as i could to answer all these questions for people.
it can be found at the below link.
Sammy's VK EFI Conversion
hope this helps you to decide ....
as far as what to do with the topic at hand.
1. go the v6 route, will cost alot more than the holden 6 efi route and will require engineers approval. however in stock form a vn/vp/vr v6 makes 125-127kw .... this is a significant amount more than a stock VK EFI motor ... and it is more economical.
as said above, if you want to go the v6 route i'd visit www.v6conversions.com.au and talk with them.
2. vk efi on your current blue 6 .... having the blue 6 in there is half the challenge, fitting and connecting the EFI is fairly straight forward after that.
theres a user on here with the alias efi-202, he has an LC and has just recently rebuilt a motor for it with EFI he should be able to help you out with fitment questions.
as far as how much is involved with the EFI conversion have a look at an article i wrote on the subject, basically i tried to do an as comprehensive step by step article as i could to answer all these questions for people.
it can be found at the below link.
Sammy's VK EFI Conversion
hope this helps you to decide ....
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hello kaney i am about to upgrade me red 202 to a commy blue 202 as well i bought a whole vk efi kit off of ebay for about 90 dollars which is also going to be used on the blue motor. however i have a set of tri ys to suit a vk commy with efi and was wondering if they would fit in a lj torrie 2door coupe and the efi fit under the hood ???? also hopefully in the not to distant future i will also purchase a little toyota supercharger for the engine combo as i have seen a mates vk wagon with this and it beats alot of the newer vt-vy commo 6s etc
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