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manual or auto???

Started by _Bomber Watson_ , May 09 2006 07:53 PM

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#1 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 07:53 PM

ok ok here i go being all indecisive again. and as usual when this happens i will make a long winded and not terrably sensable post wherei more or less answer my own questions.

see, the great plan for my toranas driveline was always to drop in a 5 slot supra box, and if it blows up trick up the trimatic i have down the back and slot that in. but the more i think about it the more sure i become that the supra box is gonna chuck it in.

i was going to be running a r55 supra box with puck clutch behind a fairly worked 202. aiming for around the 350hp mark when the nitrous is armed. the car will be used for street, strip and burnouts. perhaps occasionaly hillclimb/motorkanah.

so really, not only will that be a pain to drive round town with large cam and the button clutch, but probably slower on the strip and not the best for skids. i'm fairly sure i would break third before to long with the nos at the drags.

so the thoughts are to get the trimatic beefed up and throw that in. i'm not entirley sure what is the common thing to do, but something along the line of billet mainshafts, eather stage three shift kit or reverse pattern manual valve bodies, b&m pro ratchet, bout a 3000 stall, any other suggestions???

now that i have beat on for a while, i'm just after advice. do you lot recon the supra box will survive, or am i right to doubt it and think strait toward the auto?? next will the auto be strong enough??? and roughly how much would the auto cost me to get setup?? i'm thinking about the same as the supra conversion will cost considering i already ahve the box and it will go strait in.

will be quicker along the strip, easyer around town (but perhaps a tad thirstyer), and do bigger burnouts (start in low gear and go up).
the con for the auto is i don't really like driving auto's, i findi it a bit uncomfortable, and i recon manuals are a lot more fun. plus she's gonna drink on the highway. will be sitting above stall at 100 though so won't be so bad there. i've never driven a shift kitted auto, i hear there fun anyway.

so what do you all recon, what do you run, what are your experiences and so forth....cheers guy's.

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#2 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:11 PM

If you have two feet, use an auto.
If you have three feet, use a manual.

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#3 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:17 PM

yeah, i've learned to drive fairly well with three feet. have no choak, and even when warmed up current motor likes to fuel up. trafic lights are a joy, but staging at the drags was just plain fun...she didnt' like the staging lanes, so i literaly had to stage using three feet lol....

but i'm assuming from that you are prefering automatics?

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#4 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 08:21 PM

Apart from long drives ( 400+ KM ) I'd only use autos.

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#5 gtrboyy

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:24 PM

My old bushpig 202 was manual & I wouldn't have had it any other way,though it hurt my times & I never did get that 12sec time,broke too many parts but I still prefer the manual even if it costs time on your 1/4 mile it still makes up for it on fun factor.My 2c lol.

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#6 _LHoon_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:28 PM

I find that if you are lacking power then a manual can get the most out of your engine combination. But if its done properly, an auto and hi-stall is the way to go!

If you are genuinely going to get around 350hp out of a 202, then you will need a stall converter which is much higher than 3000rpm!

Autos generally work out to be cheaper in the end as well. Good clutches are expensive.

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#7 _CHOPPER_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:44 PM

...fairly worked 202. aiming for around the 350hp mark when the nitrous is armed...

...so the thoughts are to get the trimatic beefed up and throw that in...

...plus she's gonna drink on the highway...

So you want 350 HP from your 202, but you are concerned about fuel economy? Sounds like you need 2 cars.

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#8 _Torana/Fan_

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 09:55 PM

If your going more drag (as your talking nos) and want the best times out of it then i say auto with a loose converter or if your setting it up to turn then manual.
Either way 350hp isnt going to be a daily driver and way more so out of a 202.

Auto :spoton:

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#9 _lj chev_

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 06:09 PM

the trimatic's can be built strong enough to handle the power but its not really something that you can just bang together. would need auto trans specialist.
have you looked into trans brake's also? they are good for drags and you dont need to have good back brakes.

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#10 _Spyder_

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:05 PM

go the alloy case supra box, i think its the w54 or 57????. expensive but extreemly strong 500hp there suppost to be good for :spoton:

Edited by Spyder, 10 May 2006 - 08:05 PM.

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#11 _70rey_

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 08:18 PM

mate id go the supra box...

i gotta say if ur chasin 350 horses then say goodbuy to anysort of fuel ecomony.

the reason i know this is because im in the process of getting a 202 built for me that wil have around 280 to 300 horses and they said that i will be average on fuel depending upon my foot...

if u do go the supra make sure its the box they put behind the twin turbo's cos the other one will last about 10 days before it shatters on u.

cheers

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#12 _lxtorrie_

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 07:36 PM

Trimatics can be beefed up a fair bit, and do not rob as much power as a turbo 350/400.
I am more than happy with the new trimatic I had custom built. Each gear is a solid change and not to mention very quick. Along with the B&M megashifter I can give it as much curry as I can and it wont skip a beat.
Trimatic came with a 30 000kay 18month warranty.
I ended up with a Stage 2 shift kit, V8 clutch packs, custom valve body, reverse shift, billet servo etc. High stall (round 2000) etc for $700 no exchange.

I think for this amount a manual supra/celica conversion would cost the same or even more if you dont already have any of the bits. Especially if you were to look into brass button clutches etc.
5 speed does have a better top end range as it does have an extra 2 gears, but by the sounds of it you dont seem to mention wanting to do much long distance driving.

At the end of the day tho it is your choice and your driving style. Guess you need to weight up all the pro's and cons over manual vs auto.

Cheers

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#13 _uglybob_

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 07:16 PM

why dont you just forget about the trimatic and doos a th700 up then you have overdrive for a bit more confort on the highway?

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#14 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 07:18 PM

ok i should clarify a few things...i'm not going for 350hp naturaly aspirated....thats on the bottle. off the bottle its more like 250, but i doubt i will even get that. 200 is more likley. i'm just using that as an optimistic figure so i don't buy something marginal.

no i wont be chasing wiked fuel echonomy. i have a two wheeler for that. but the drag strip is 200km away so i would like some form of echonomy....i'm just saying the auto will drink more on the highway than the manual.

i have gone to get a few prices. dosent sound to bad really, about $1650 for the box, then $600-1200 for the stall....nitrous ones are expensive by the sound of it....then gotta get a shifter and a really really decent trans cooler.....so say $4000. probably bit more than setting up a normal supra box (which i recon will die) or a tad cheaper than setting up a turbo supra one....then i gotta consider toploaders ect....aaahhh the choices....

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#15 _Torana308_

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 09:50 PM

Nitrous converters are always expensive and most places want to go full manual when you talk nos. However i got quoted 1350 to build the box for my torana to suit the v8 with the bottle and full manual valve body. I ended up dropping the nitrous idea and got it shift kitted no manual valve body and rebuilt for 1350 inclucing a huge trans cooler. Try ringing round as like you would know prices vary greatly. Mine was done by Precise automatics at Beenleigh. Maybe give them a call and talk to him about an auto. Another thing is most places will void the warranty on a manual valve body box used on the street as people tend to now go down a gear and it burns the auto

Edited by Torana308, 15 May 2006 - 09:51 PM.

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#16 _Bomber Watson_

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 09:57 PM

that was second price i got, first one was approx twice as much.

was just looking at prices for other gear, not so bad. about $150 for decent flex plate, another $150 or so for decent trans cooler and $300 for shifter. so i'm looking at just over three grand. looking promising really.

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#17 makka

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 02:24 PM

I have a similar problemmy auto is on its way out, and I do like it but I have found a supra boy that will be goin fairly cheap,
Decisions, decisions! I might grab the supra box and use it till I can get a good trimatic built, but that means that Im gonna have to cut a hole in my virgin tranny tunnel!