Quick question, will my 14 x 7 hotwires fit over rotors on a VN V8 diff? I understand Borg warner Skyline rear discs (260 mm) are smaller in daimeter than VN which I think are 279mm?? so will the 14s still fit over the VN rotors?
cheers, Trent.
14 inch rims
Started by
_Trentm_
, Jun 04 2012 04:20 PM
44 replies to this topic
#2
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:05 PM
In theory yes
As the VN had 14's on the base cars and 15's on the flasher ones
All were fitted with rear discs
As to whether your wheels have correct offset.. .thats up to you to do a try and see
As the VN had 14's on the base cars and 15's on the flasher ones
All were fitted with rear discs
As to whether your wheels have correct offset.. .thats up to you to do a try and see
#3
_Trentm_
_Trentm_
-
- Guests
Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:32 PM
In theory yes
As the VN had 14's on the base cars and 15's on the flasher ones
All were fitted with rear discs
As to whether your wheels have correct offset.. .thats up to you to do a try and see
Thanks Neil
#4
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:17 PM
i know this is an old thread but relevant to my research and i just wanted to know about the vn v8 discs..
i read above that 14's will fit over the rear, (i have commodore pattern 9" with no rear brakes yet) and also read that vn v8's came out with 14's..
i thought vn's came out with 15" chasers at least, am i wrong?
we are talking about v8 vn's right??
so this will bring me to beleive that i should be able to fit vn v8 front brakes to fit behing my 14's also... right???
datto please help
otherwise what is the best and biggest brake setup i can have behind my 14's especially at the front
i have 14x10 rear 14x8 fronts not sure about offset or anything but can measure if required.
i was considering buying convo's due to not being able to find tyres but i have now found that place in ingleburn antiquetyres so thought maybe i can keep the 14's..
also not sure if its relevant but car will have a v8 and will go for a blueslip inspection (trying to avoid engineers atm)
thanks for any help
i read above that 14's will fit over the rear, (i have commodore pattern 9" with no rear brakes yet) and also read that vn v8's came out with 14's..
i thought vn's came out with 15" chasers at least, am i wrong?
we are talking about v8 vn's right??
so this will bring me to beleive that i should be able to fit vn v8 front brakes to fit behing my 14's also... right???
datto please help
otherwise what is the best and biggest brake setup i can have behind my 14's especially at the front
i have 14x10 rear 14x8 fronts not sure about offset or anything but can measure if required.
i was considering buying convo's due to not being able to find tyres but i have now found that place in ingleburn antiquetyres so thought maybe i can keep the 14's..
also not sure if its relevant but car will have a v8 and will go for a blueslip inspection (trying to avoid engineers atm)
thanks for any help
#5
Uncle Chop Chop
-
- Members
-
- 1,409 posts
Grumpy Old Man
- Name:John
- Location:Vic
- Joined: 19-November 12
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:20 PM
I had a VN SS from new, it had 15" alloys as standard. I also remember the dealer telling me that 14" wheels wouldn't fit because the discs were bigger.
#6
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:50 PM
Yes 14's car fit ... stock was 14's on most early girls
Front and back
But check your wheel clearances first and get the right stud pattern
Front and back
But check your wheel clearances first and get the right stud pattern
#7
mika03au
View Garage
-
- Members
-
- 812 posts
Forum Fixture
- Name:Michael
- Location:Brisbane
- Car:LX hatch
- Joined: 06-July 11
View Garage
Posted 10 January 2013 - 10:50 PM
Cant confirm it but was told the VN V8 had the same brakes as the VL turbo & V8, that is the same reason they too run 15" rims standard as well.
#8
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:25 AM
That's if it had the 290mm front brakes, rears were the same as VB (with rear discs) as were the fronts (270mm) if it didn't have the big brakes.
#9
Collo
-
- Members
-
- 114,647 posts
( . Y . )
- Location:Newcastle...Home of me.
- Car:A Black POS
- Joined: 29-February 08
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:25 AM
Yeah pretty sure VN v8's ran the same brakes a the VL turbo.
#10
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:56 AM
Yes most V8s but not all, and it was only the front disc and caliper that differed. Most VNs in general got the small front brakes and all the rears are same size regardless from VB-VS (with minor variations) live axle.
#11
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,279 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:50 AM
From VL onwards ALL V8s & turbos got the larger front rotors & calipers along with 15" wheels. After that time only 6-cyl cars got 14" wheels & the smaller front brakes.
The rear brakes did not change (except for some HSV models), so 14" wheels will fit over the V8 rear discs.
Dr Terry
The rear brakes did not change (except for some HSV models), so 14" wheels will fit over the V8 rear discs.
Dr Terry
#12
Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:57 PM
Must have been NZ cars only then, quite a few factory V8s around with the smaller brakes especially VLs (probably parts bin specials...?)
#13
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:01 PM
so the brakes that fit behind the 14s are they twin piston??
how do i find out which brakes to look for
part numbers would help or what car they came out of..
how do i find out which brakes to look for
part numbers would help or what car they came out of..
#14
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,279 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:48 PM
The following comments refer only to non-HSV brakes.
All pre-VT calipers (front & rear) are single piston sliding head. There are really only 2 different types of rears & 3 different types of fronts.
The 2 rear types are IRS & live axle (non-IRS), so in reality VB rears are basically the same as VS live axle rears. There was a change to the handbrake mechanism made for VN where they basically swapped the LH & RH side assemblies so that the cable & lever was now placed at the bottom, but the calipers etc. remained unchanged. The IRS & live axle type's calipers & rotors will not interchange.
The 3 front types are the standard VB to VP which fit inside 14" rims & the ones discussed above which were introduced with the VL V8s & turbo cars. By VP Series II, even the most basic Executive had the larger brakes & 15" trims.
All VR/VS had front brakes similar to the VL-VP V8s but had a fully sealed front bearing hub & a removable disc 'hat'. I've never closely compared the 2, but I believe that the VR/VS calipers are interchangeable with the VL-VP V8.
The 15" style front calipers are identified by having more fins than the lesser versions.
The fronts with the larger rotors are marginally better but they still used the same disc pad & if you're building your car from scratch & want really good brakes without breaking the bank, buy a set a conversion hubs & fit VT-VZ fronts.
Dr Terry
All pre-VT calipers (front & rear) are single piston sliding head. There are really only 2 different types of rears & 3 different types of fronts.
The 2 rear types are IRS & live axle (non-IRS), so in reality VB rears are basically the same as VS live axle rears. There was a change to the handbrake mechanism made for VN where they basically swapped the LH & RH side assemblies so that the cable & lever was now placed at the bottom, but the calipers etc. remained unchanged. The IRS & live axle type's calipers & rotors will not interchange.
The 3 front types are the standard VB to VP which fit inside 14" rims & the ones discussed above which were introduced with the VL V8s & turbo cars. By VP Series II, even the most basic Executive had the larger brakes & 15" trims.
All VR/VS had front brakes similar to the VL-VP V8s but had a fully sealed front bearing hub & a removable disc 'hat'. I've never closely compared the 2, but I believe that the VR/VS calipers are interchangeable with the VL-VP V8.
The 15" style front calipers are identified by having more fins than the lesser versions.
The fronts with the larger rotors are marginally better but they still used the same disc pad & if you're building your car from scratch & want really good brakes without breaking the bank, buy a set a conversion hubs & fit VT-VZ fronts.
Dr Terry
#15
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:55 PM
But none of these will fit under your 14's (except the earlier 270mm rotors)
Nor will any of the Commodore brakes bolt straight on
Nor will any of the Commodore brakes bolt straight on
#16
TerrA LX
-
- Members
-
- 14,241 posts
Fulcrum Fixture
- Location:Sid 'n' knee
- Joined: 31-May 06
Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:28 PM
Quick question, will my 14 x 7 hotwires fit over rotors on a VN V8 diff? I understand Borg warner Skyline rear discs (260 mm) are smaller in daimeter than VN which I think are 279mm?? so will the 14s still fit over the VN rotors?
cheers, Trent.
The rear brakes did not change (except for some HSV models), so 14" wheels will fit over the V8 rear discs.
Dr Terry
I have never seen 14's standard with rear disc, going by size they should fit, BUT, are they commodore pattern hotwires, IMO out of all the Chev pattern wheels you force onto commodore, hotwires and the like would be most likely to snap the studs.
#17
Dr Terry
-
- Moderators
-
- 3,279 posts
Technical + Numbers Guru + Moderator
- Location:Eastwood (Sydney) NSW
- Joined: 13-November 05
Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:29 AM
Take a look at any VN V6 Executive, there must be heaps out there.I have never seen 14's standard with rear disc, going by size they should fit, BUT,
Dr Terry
#18
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:24 PM
so what u guys are saying is that rears should fit since 15's didnt come out untill atleast vl's..
i thought all commodores were twin piston fronts.. i guess i was wrong..
but is there no twin piston fronts that will fit my 14's??
what is the best brake setup i can fit at the front behind the 14's??
should i just stick to the stock torana and upgrade boost/mc??
also my wheels arent hotwires..not sure what they are actually someone said neals wheels, ill post a pic
i thought all commodores were twin piston fronts.. i guess i was wrong..
but is there no twin piston fronts that will fit my 14's??
what is the best brake setup i can fit at the front behind the 14's??
should i just stick to the stock torana and upgrade boost/mc??
also my wheels arent hotwires..not sure what they are actually someone said neals wheels, ill post a pic
#19
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:30 PM
Commodores didn't get twin piston front till VT
Unless it was a HSV optioned car with 330mm discs
If your sticking with 14's... put HQ style brakes on
Unless it was a HSV optioned car with 330mm discs
If your sticking with 14's... put HQ style brakes on
#21
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:45 PM
thanks datto
im coming to a conclusion that ill be fitting commy rears and hq fronts..
are all hq the same??
is there a particular one that i should look for?
also i thought i read in the hq tutorial thread that i would need 15s...
im coming to a conclusion that ill be fitting commy rears and hq fronts..
are all hq the same??
is there a particular one that i should look for?
also i thought i read in the hq tutorial thread that i would need 15s...
#22
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:40 PM
14's for HQ
I'm not into bling... so I'd use the stock booster and master modded to suit discs
But if thats your thing... fine... but that one won't fit a Torana
This caliper is my preferred for this application
But you need the stubs etc to go with
I'm not into bling... so I'd use the stock booster and master modded to suit discs
But if thats your thing... fine... but that one won't fit a Torana
This caliper is my preferred for this application
But you need the stubs etc to go with
#23
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 13 January 2013 - 12:10 PM
thats a hq is it??
anyone got a kit i can buy??
or part numbers so i can hit up the shops..
booster/mc/rotors/calipers..
i dont want to go crazy with massive brakes untill the budget allows for bigger rims/tyres which i have seen can cost upto 4000 for the right set
again thanks guys and datto ur a wise man with priceless info
anyone got a kit i can buy??
or part numbers so i can hit up the shops..
booster/mc/rotors/calipers..
i dont want to go crazy with massive brakes untill the budget allows for bigger rims/tyres which i have seen can cost upto 4000 for the right set
again thanks guys and datto ur a wise man with priceless info
#24
dattoman
-
- Administrators
-
- 16,473 posts
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
- Name:Neil
- Location:Perth Western Australia
- Car:LX SS , 76 Cadillac , 3 x dattos
- Joined: 04-February 07
Posted 13 January 2013 - 01:01 PM
Yes those are HQ-J calipers
Calipers and stubs you'll need to get from a wreckers.. they don't make them anymore
Discs are DBA014 , Pads for that caliper are DB6
You'll still need to get hoses custom made
Wheel bearings are same as Torana
Calipers and stubs you'll need to get from a wreckers.. they don't make them anymore
Discs are DBA014 , Pads for that caliper are DB6
You'll still need to get hoses custom made
Wheel bearings are same as Torana
#25
_ohhgeee_
_ohhgeee_
-
- Guests
Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:29 PM
ok so i take it commy brakes arent much better then these hq-j calipers, plus its a easier fit.
the only problem i will have if i go with this setup is that my 9" has commy pattern axles..
thats why i was trying to get commy brakes to fit up front in the first place..
guess i might just get adaptors/spacer or something to match rear to front, maybe get new axles later.
are torana brakes really no good that we all go through this upgrade??
are 6cyl and v8 brakes the same on a torry? my cars a 75 model
the only problem i will have if i go with this setup is that my 9" has commy pattern axles..
thats why i was trying to get commy brakes to fit up front in the first place..
guess i might just get adaptors/spacer or something to match rear to front, maybe get new axles later.
are torana brakes really no good that we all go through this upgrade??
are 6cyl and v8 brakes the same on a torry? my cars a 75 model
1 user(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users
