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#1 _oikurtman_

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 12:08 PM

Hey guys,

I've been convinced to change my 202 to a 253. I've been told that it will actually be cheaper on fuel, but is there anything I could do to make it even cheaper to run? its my daily driver...

I've got a set of genie extractors which I'm putting on it, as well as a twin 2.something inch exhaust, but it has a broken crossover just after the extractors. Should I repair the crossover or cut it out?

Any ideas on carbies or cams?

Cheers,

Kurt.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 12:17 PM

standard rebuild with mild cam/springs to match, stock carb and repiar the exhaust. add an electronic dizzy from a commy.
again speak with camtech or any local cam grinder, they are very helpful face to face.

Edited by ALX76, 08 June 2006 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2006 - 12:33 PM

You might like to have a read of this: http://www.commodore...com.au/faq7.htm

It gives you some idea of what they do to the 253's that ran in the Commodore cup.

I would not expect much in the way of economy though.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 01:00 PM

standard rebuild with mild cam/springs to match, stock carb and repiar the exhaust. add an electronic dizzy from a commy.
again speak with camtech or any local cam grinder, they are very helpful face to face.

forgot to add true roller double row BRAND NAME cam chain and gear set.
as with any part, spend a little extra and use quallity parts.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 01:05 PM

are you doing a full rebuild? how much cash have got to spend?

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 01:51 PM

if i was building a 253 for the street this is what I would run:

acl flat tops
standard crank and rods
standard pre poll heads, tidied up a little.
edelbrock performer manifold or a modified standard pre poll manifold (the earlier the better)
re-jetted quadrajet (PM purpleLC)
rollmaster timing chain
and a nice set of extractors

buying as much of that second hand as possible you should be able to to do it for around $1000

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 05:36 PM

Stroke it!

haha just kidding...

You can get a 253 to dance quite well with a good cam, carby and exhaust! They are cheap things you can do...

If you want to start getting really good power out of them.. ditch it and get a 308

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 09:28 PM

I wasn't really planning on rebuilding it, sorta just looking for bolt on ideas...

Anyone got opinions for the crossover pipe? Cut it or fix it? I've heard they go and sound better with out them??

Cheers,

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 10:06 PM

sound better without, go better with I belive.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 11:47 PM

Dont the blue motor 253 VH heads have bigger ports, valves and better valve springs? Also dont they run a quaddie from the factory? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 12:11 AM

I wasn't really planning on rebuilding it, sorta just looking for bolt on ideas...

Anyone got opinions for the crossover pipe? Cut it or fix it? I've heard they go and sound better with out them??

Cheers,

Kurt.

if your motor is worn eg. compression down, blowing smoke or valve springs weak you not going to benifit from "bolt on's" better save and re-co the motor, you will have a far bigger gain.

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Posted 09 June 2006 - 12:17 AM

Dont the blue motor 253 VH heads have bigger ports, valves and better valve springs? Also dont they run a quaddie from the factory? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

blue were a better cast, but as for valve size, if they were any bigger they would be shrouded by the bore and probably even hit on a high lift cam.
if the springs were any better, thier age would dictate replacement anyway.
the late blues bid run a quad but not the same as 308.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 09:53 AM

put a tourqey cam in, clean the heads up, four barrel manifold and quaddy, eleccy dizzy and a good exhaust system, it will make you happy and will go well

fluffys dont like too many revs!

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:42 PM

@53 are more economical that teh 202. if two things are thoguht about...


1. no lead foot
2. no huge cams.

As soon as you start really increasing cam sizes etc you will find the fuel bill will be unbelievable. Similarly if you drive with your foot through teh floor then the fuel will flow nicely.

All blue 253's ran a quaddy. The only difference from my reference material is that the secodnary hanger are different and teh secondary fuel needles are different. all teh rest is fine.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:42 PM

wanna make a bet Timbo? mine loves every bit of 7000rpm!

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 02:44 PM

wanna make a bet Timbo? mine loves every bit of 7000rpm!

What did I do???

253's can rev if the right pistons are put in them, I would not rev a stocky to more than 5300. otherwsie you might as well get out and catch them... :D

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 03:03 PM

wanna make a bet Timbo? mine loves every bit of 7000rpm!

mine went to 7500 once, didnt really mean it, was smacken it to 6000 and hit a wet patch, anyway i cracked the cam retainer and spat the plug out from behind the cam.
ding a ling ding ding ding a ling all the way home.

Edited by ALX76, 10 June 2006 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2006 - 03:29 PM

I was referring to the other Tim, Tim. :tease:
I need a tacho that goes over 7000, so I can see what I am doing over that.
mine is not standard either......

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 07:12 PM

Thanks for all your comments guys. I will be starting the project in a couple of weeks. I think first I'm gonna put heavy duty v8 springs in it, by then hopefully i'll have a 253 and an auto to put in it... If anyone has a decent motor and transmission lying around give me a yell. I'm just after a stocky for now because I have to get the change of details slip and everything has to be standard... unless you guys know someone in Sydney who might be able to help me?

Cheers.

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Posted 10 June 2006 - 10:32 PM

a couple guys i know bought NEW hq's one was a 253 the other was a 308 both with trimatics and 278 ratios
one was helping the other move 600km the 253 used about 50% more fuel while being driven together
hence get a 308 or even a 304

:spoton: tom

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 04:36 PM

SHould I be getting a red or blue 253??

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Posted 11 June 2006 - 06:40 PM

SHould I be getting a red or blue 253??

If you can get a second hand blue in good nik complete you will have elec ignition and 4bbl carb combo standard ready to go, preferably see it running and check comp etc, otherwise sitck with a red that needs a reco.
any reconditioned motor with a mild cam can be a very suprising performer.

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Posted 12 June 2006 - 12:40 AM

yeah... If u just want bolt on stuff.... Get yourself a 4 Barrel manifold and a Quaddy, Elec Dizzy, Exhaust system and maybe get some good heads for it if you want...

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 11:03 PM

Now don't laugh guys, but my first Torana had a 253 with an M20 behind and we put a 650DP on it. We jetted the mains down low, so for daily running and highway it was great on fuel, about 500km to a tank! Then when you needed to pass a slow car or pull out into, or across, heavy traffic, you'd sink the slipper in and the seat would swalloow you up!

Some thieving mongrel enjoyed my power & economy ratio so much I never saw it again. Bastard!! :furious: Not that I hold a grudge, but it was taken between 8-8:30pm on Friday 24th June 1994.

Cheers,
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 11:42 PM

anyone who tells you that you are wasting your time with a 253 obviously hasnt tried hard enough to pull the monster out that lies beneath the typical boat anchor reputation they have. mine produced 264 rwhp, stock 4 barrel hq manifold and quaddy, the secrets lie in the comp and heads, mine ran 12.5:1 comp(avgas only or meth) and minor port work you just need someone who knows what they are doing, we recently put a cain tunnel ram on with twin 600 holleys and it made 318.2 rwhp at 7600rpm, unfortunately though i killed it apparently the ring lands wont stay where they are meant to when you turn it to 8500 for a minute.also line honing will gain power for you too...




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