HI - I would like to know what are the diferences between a early 71 xu1 body and a CK body XU1.
Were there any differences or ar they both the same.
Does any body have any info or pictures.
This will help when looking at a possible purchase,
PM Thanks Gary
XUI BODY IDENTENTIFICATION
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:08 PM
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Any pics or details of the car in question Gary?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:14 PM
Hi - car is comming up for sale in the future - i was wanting to be armed with information to know what i am looking at. My current car is a march 71 GTR. I dont know too much about XU1.
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hi when it comes up for sale to be safe your best bet would be to get some one who knows these cars to do a thourough inspection, if in melb id help u out there, in sydney im sure gong would also help u out,
regards aldo
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:24 PM
What type of accelerator pedal set-up does a CK XU-1 have ? Do they have the LJ pendant style similar to late LC & LJs.
Also, would the gearshift cut-out for the Aussie M20 be different to the Opel M20 of the early 71 version.
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Also, would the gearshift cut-out for the Aussie M20 be different to the Opel M20 of the early 71 version.
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What type of accelerator pedal set-up does a CK XU-1 have ? Do they have the LJ pendant style similar to late LC & LJs.
Also, would the gearshift cut-out for the Aussie M20 be different to the Opel M20 of the early 71 version.
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Pretty sure the CK cars used the LJ accelerator set up. I recall gong mentioning that in another post.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:54 AM
the gtr and xu1 gearshift hole are the same the only one that is diffrent is the 73 hump had extra support, and the consoles are diffrent.
the accelerator set up started with the 173f coded lc gtr, m20 as well started at this time,
to answer your question,
there is no difirence in the 1971 xu1 bodies, until late in 71 when they started releasing the first ljs, but there are plenty of changes in the parts that bolt to the bodies, from the release of the ck xu1, and for this info please go to WHAT IS A 71 BATHURST XU1 thread on the forum.
cheers gong
the accelerator set up started with the 173f coded lc gtr, m20 as well started at this time,
to answer your question,
there is no difirence in the 1971 xu1 bodies, until late in 71 when they started releasing the first ljs, but there are plenty of changes in the parts that bolt to the bodies, from the release of the ck xu1, and for this info please go to WHAT IS A 71 BATHURST XU1 thread on the forum.
cheers gong
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 08:44 AM
The reason for my question goes to why why this query was posted in the first place. I am assuming that meroo149 wants to know if a CK XU-1 can be picked from an earlier XU-1, if he was just looking at a bare body.
If the body in question was a real LC XU-1, but did NOT have any holes or provision for an LC (floor mount) accelerator pedal it could be a CK version.
gong ??
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If the body in question was a real LC XU-1, but did NOT have any holes or provision for an LC (floor mount) accelerator pedal it could be a CK version.
gong ??
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:47 PM
it could be but that is not nothing to go by has i cut the floor out of a 6-72 4doior just the other day and it had the holes on the floor as well as the ones of the firewall, but these holes had that black hard putty shit that they use in the regulator holes on left inner guards. the only reason i told him go read that what is a 71 bathurst thread, because i was tring to get to my shed and get some work done.
good luck
cheers gong
good luck
cheers gong
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:06 PM
just as a note , my 9/71 brisbain ck has a floor mount pedal. so i am guessing that ck,s could have either type of pedal 
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mine is a brisbane 9-71 and it has the lj set up mate but thats not saying someone at some stage has made it look like the normal lc xu1 and got his or her wires crossed.
cheers gong
cheers gong
Edited by LONA-CK, 21 January 2013 - 08:47 PM.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:08 PM
Hi all - Thanks for the information. I was interested to find out if there were body differences. If they are the same body less to worry about. Differences only in running gear.
Thanks
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:53 PM
hi gary,
i have a original LC parts catalogue with amendment bulletin.
this bulletin,which must be used in conjunction with catalogue no M37004 ,covers changes whiich became effective on the lc GTR XU1
at engine number CK 38840
HEAD COMPLETE 2824280
GEAR CAMCHAFT 2822456
CAMSHAFT 2822075
CLUTCH PLATE ASS 2823892
RADIATOR ASS 2823866
SUMP ENG 2823701
DISTRIBUTOR 2824000
ARM AND BALL JOINT LOWER 2823871
WHEEL ASS NIBLES 2823863
HOUSING ASS REAR AXEL 3.08 BAFFLED 2823982
HOUSING ASS REAR AXEL 3.36 BAFFLED 2823489
GEAR COUNTER 2823899
GEAR CLUTCH 2823544
TRANSMISION ASS 2823898
NEEDLE CABURETTOR METERING VS12152
CARBURETTOR CENTER 2823703
CARBURETTOR FRONT AND REAR 2823704
EXHAUST RESONATOR MUFFLER
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THERE IS NO MENTION OF A ACCELOATOR PEDAL CHANGE TO THE LC TORANA.
I HOPE THAT IT HELPS YOU GARY
i have a original LC parts catalogue with amendment bulletin.
this bulletin,which must be used in conjunction with catalogue no M37004 ,covers changes whiich became effective on the lc GTR XU1
at engine number CK 38840
HEAD COMPLETE 2824280
GEAR CAMCHAFT 2822456
CAMSHAFT 2822075
CLUTCH PLATE ASS 2823892
RADIATOR ASS 2823866
SUMP ENG 2823701
DISTRIBUTOR 2824000
ARM AND BALL JOINT LOWER 2823871
WHEEL ASS NIBLES 2823863
HOUSING ASS REAR AXEL 3.08 BAFFLED 2823982
HOUSING ASS REAR AXEL 3.36 BAFFLED 2823489
GEAR COUNTER 2823899
GEAR CLUTCH 2823544
TRANSMISION ASS 2823898
NEEDLE CABURETTOR METERING VS12152
CARBURETTOR CENTER 2823703
CARBURETTOR FRONT AND REAR 2823704
EXHAUST RESONATOR MUFFLER
CONSOLE
THERE IS NO MENTION OF A ACCELOATOR PEDAL CHANGE TO THE LC TORANA.
I HOPE THAT IT HELPS YOU GARY
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:28 AM
hi just to clear things up about the lc accelerater pedal for the CK xu1s
the accelerater pedals on the CK XU1S are all mounted to the floor,2 screws
there not the same set up as the LJ models
i hope this helps
regards aldo
the accelerater pedals on the CK XU1S are all mounted to the floor,2 screws
there not the same set up as the LJ models
i hope this helps
regards aldo
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:49 AM
Hi all - Information is very helpfull.
An interesting point comes to mind. My First torana a special order in september / october 1971 and picked up in november came out with a square hole in the floor tunnel and a M20 gearbox. I know this for sure as i remember buying a part later on and it did not fit. GMH had used the M20 box. If this was the case could the late CK XU1 produced in october and november have the square hole in the tunnel and maybe a different box.
Does anybody have a late CK. Has anybody seen this.
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An interesting point comes to mind. My First torana a special order in september / october 1971 and picked up in november came out with a square hole in the floor tunnel and a M20 gearbox. I know this for sure as i remember buying a part later on and it did not fit. GMH had used the M20 box. If this was the case could the late CK XU1 produced in october and november have the square hole in the tunnel and maybe a different box.
Does anybody have a late CK. Has anybody seen this.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:00 PM
Hmm the hole for the shifter is not square.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:27 PM
Hmm the hole for the shifter is not square.
^^^ Agree, squarish but not perfectly square, and the shifter hole in the tunnel is the same for the Aussie M20 as it was for the Opel M20.
Maybe the Dealer converted a three on the tree LC Torana to 4 spd to fulfill the order???
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hi just to clear things up about the lc accelerater pedal for the CK xu1s
the accelerater pedals on the CK XU1S are all mounted to the floor,2 screws
there not the same set up as the LJ models
i hope this helps
regards aldo
any pics of this aldo, has i said in a post up the page some floors in 72 still hole the floor holes for them screws, but i was always to beleave that the change came with the gearbox
cheers gong
hi just to clear things up about the lc accelerater pedal for the CK xu1s
the accelerater pedals on the CK XU1S are all mounted to the floor,2 screws
there not the same set up as the LJ models
i hope this helps
regards aldo
any pics of this aldo, has i said in a post up the page some floors in 72 still hole the floor holes for them screws, but i was always to beleave that the change came with the gearbox
cheers gong
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:26 PM
Hi - s pack
My first car i bought new was a LC S model as i could not afford a GTR and insurance cost. It was ordered through Alan Mason holden and it took 8 weeks to make and be delivered from brisbane. It was ordered with the follow - 3.08 LSD, 4 Speed, Instruments, disk brakes, Bob tail, Gtr paintwork and strips - all options - $149-00. I had the car for 11 years. I know the shifter hole in the tunnel was a squarish design and not the "D" design. I repaired the gearbox several times and fully proof coated the floors etc. So i knew it well. It was not altered by the dealer. My guess it was done in a batch could have been CK XU1s.
Definitely not a " D " hole design hole.
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My first car i bought new was a LC S model as i could not afford a GTR and insurance cost. It was ordered through Alan Mason holden and it took 8 weeks to make and be delivered from brisbane. It was ordered with the follow - 3.08 LSD, 4 Speed, Instruments, disk brakes, Bob tail, Gtr paintwork and strips - all options - $149-00. I had the car for 11 years. I know the shifter hole in the tunnel was a squarish design and not the "D" design. I repaired the gearbox several times and fully proof coated the floors etc. So i knew it well. It was not altered by the dealer. My guess it was done in a batch could have been CK XU1s.
Definitely not a " D " hole design hole.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:12 PM
I hope 'lc2dr' doesn't mind me pinching this pic from his build thread "My LC 2dr project!"
The car is a 1971 LC 'S'
The car is a 1971 LC 'S'
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Hi - s pack
My first car i bought new was a LC S model as i could not afford a GTR and insurance cost. It was ordered through Alan Mason holden and it took 8 weeks to make and be delivered from brisbane. It was ordered with the follow - 3.08 LSD, 4 Speed, Instruments, disk brakes, Bob tail, Gtr paintwork and strips - all options - $149-00. I had the car for 11 years. I know the shifter hole in the tunnel was a squarish design and not the "D" design. I repaired the gearbox several times and fully proof coated the floors etc. So i knew it well. It was not altered by the dealer. My guess it was done in a batch could have been CK XU1s.
Definitely not a " D " hole design hole.
Meroo149
That is a strange one. AFAIK the factory 6cyl (incl GTR & XU1) 4spd shifter hole was the same 'D' shape right through LC and LJ from 1969 to 1974.
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:08 PM
That is a strange one. AFAIK the factory 6cyl (incl GTR & XU1) 4spd shifter hole was the same 'D' shape right through LC and LJ from 1969 to 1974.
Have never seen different unless cut out with an axe or similar tool.
Cheers Dave
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With it being an LC S model there would not have been a hole or a stencilled hole in the first place. So could it be either 2 things,1 the factory cutting a hole in it after the shell was put together or 2 it was in fact sent to the dealer and the dealer done the change over?????As mentioned above, I have only seen factory D shaped shifter holes. cheers
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:49 PM
Dane, my feeling is if the dealer had ordered a car to be built with the optional 4spd box then the shifter hole in the floor pan would have been stamped in the normal 'D' shape during production.
I'm still leaning towards the Dealer having organised/performed most if not all of the ordered options themselves.
As has been said many times before, the Dealers would agree to almost anything to make a sale.
Cheers
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I'm still leaning towards the Dealer having organised/performed most if not all of the ordered options themselves.
As has been said many times before, the Dealers would agree to almost anything to make a sale.
Cheers
Dave.
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