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#26 FastEHHolden

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:01 PM

I've come up with a great way you can get the governments attention..stop killing yourselves in cars...I think its pointless giving you young guys more rules to follow..you find it hard following the ones have now...the fastest car in the world has a red P plate hanging off it.

BTW...things are no different now to when i was 17...everyone raced out and got their license..a couple of them end up dead..but noone slowed down.

Don't take it personal....they aren't out to get you...they want you to get old and keep paying taxes.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:03 PM

Hate to think wat the rules will be like in another 20 years....

THINK OF WAT OUR KIDS WILL BE COMPLAINING ABOUT!

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:18 PM

If they got off their bums and enforced the laws we have we wouldn't have a problem.

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Posted 24 June 2006 - 11:37 PM

Talking about 253s... I wanted one... but seems like that idea has been pissed all over... Bgucking government, now the odds are im gonna get shat all over by a sportivo!

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:03 AM

These laws will not be retrospective. By the time they come into effect you will be off your p's.

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:16 AM

Here are accurate details:

THE NEW VICTORIAN GRADUATED LICENSING SYSTEM
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arrive alive!
Page June 2006
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
Victoria is making changes to the driver licensing system to help
improve the safety of young drivers. The changes will ensure that the
road safety gains of recent years continue. There will also be some
new support programs for young drivers and their parents to promote
safer driving.
WHY MAKE THESE CHANGES?
There have been significant reductions in the road toll but young
drivers continue to have more casualty crashes than any other group of
drivers on the road.
The facts are simple:
Each year 120 people are killed and 2,300 are seriously injured in
crashes involving 18 - 25 year old drivers. This is one-third of the
road toll.
Probationary drivers are involved in casualty crashes at triple the
rate of more experienced drivers.
More young people die from road crashes than any other causes.
Young driver crashes are caused by many factors, such as inexperience,
drink driving, driving in high risk situations, such as late at night or with
multiple passengers, unsafe behaviours, such as speeding and risk
taking and distractions from things like mobile phones.
Experience overseas shows that it is possible to have a significant
effect on the safety of young drivers by improving the licensing
system. The Victorian Government is making some significant changes
to licensing for new drivers, and is introducing a broad range of support
measures to help improve the safety of young drivers.
These changes are expected to reduce the number of people injured in
crashes by up to 800 per year, including 12 fewer deaths.



HOW WILL THE NEW SYSTEM WORK?
New learner requirements and a one year P1 and three year P2 licence
will be introduced.
People under the age of 21 years, applying for a probationary licence:
Must hold a learner permit for a minimum of 12 months
Must obtain a minimum of 120 hours on-road supervised learner
driving experience;
Must go on to a minimum one year P1 licence, followed by a
minimum three year P2 licence.
People aged 21 to under 25 years will be required to hold their learner
permit for a minimum of six months and then go directly on to a
minimum three year P2 licence.
People aged 25 years and over will be required to hold their learner
permit for a minimum of three months and then go directly on to a
minimum three year P2 licence.
Other new measures include:
An improved driving test for all probationary licence applicants
A ban on all mobile phone use for learner and P1 drivers
A requirement for a good driving record to progress to the next
stage of licence
Alcohol interlocks for first time drink driving offenders on Ps or aged
under 26 years
A revised high powered vehicle restriction for P1 and P2 drivers
Support programs for new drivers, supervising drivers, and driving
instructors.









Fact sheet
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FOR people under 21 years of age WHen aplying for a probationary licence
ENTRY: Minimum age of 16 years & pass a computerised knowledge test
Learner Drivers
One year minimum
Encourage and support:
� supervised experience
� a gradual introduction to the
complex world of driving.
New Learner
Requirements
A minimum of 120 hours of supervised driving experience (including 10 hours at night) with
an official practice diary and declaration to be signed by the learner and supervising driver.
A requirement to carry the learner permit when driving.
No mobile phone use, hands free or hands held, or any messaging of any kind.
Existing L provisions will apply: Zero BAC; accompanied by a fully licensed driver with BAC
<0.05; display L Plates; no towing; and five or more demerit points in any 12 month period
may result in licence suspension.




Learner Support
Programs
A new 120 hour L Kit and Practice Diary.
Expansion of the �Keys Please� parent-learner program.
Expansion of the L-Site interactive web site.
Improved driving instruction.
A trial community-based, volunteer mentor program to provide learner drivers who do not
have access to a car or a supervising driver with the opportunity to get experience.





GRADUATION: Minimum age of 18 years & pass an improved on-road driving test and the Hazard Perception Test
P1 Probationary Drivers
One year minimum
Safer transition to solo driving:
reduce high risk activities
encourage safe driving.


New P1 Requirements No mobile phone use, hands free or hands held, or any messaging of any kind.
No towing (unless for work or if under instruction).
Restrictions on driving high powered vehicles such as eight cylinder cars, cars with
turbocharged or supercharged engines, and nominated high performance six‑cylinder cars.
Offences will attract a fine and three demerit points.
Drink-driving offenders will have to fit an alcohol ignition interlock for a minimum of
six months when re‑licensed.
Any licence suspension, drink-driving offence with a BAC up to 0.05, or drug driving offence,
will result in an extension of the P1 period for six months, plus the period of suspension.
A passenger limit will apply for the balance of the P1 period.
Existing P provisions will apply: Zero BAC; display P Plates; compulsory carriage of P licence;
if tested in an automatic vehicle, can only drive a vehicle with automatic transmission; and
five or more demerit points in any 12 month period may result in licence suspension.






P1 Support Programs A new P1 Solo Driving Guide.
A promotional campaign to encourage P1 drivers to minimise their risk by driving less at
night and not carrying multiple passengers.


GRADUATION: A good driving record
P2 Probationary Drivers
Three year minimum
Consolidate safe driving skills
and encourage safe driving.
New P2 Requirements Restrictions on driving high powered vehicles such as eight cylinder cars, cars with
turbocharged or supercharged engines, and nominated high performance six‑cylinder cars.
Offences will attract a fine and three demerit points.
Drink-driving offenders will have to fit an alcohol ignition interlock for a minimum of
six months when re‑licensed.
Any licence suspension, drink-driving offence with a BAC up to 0.05, or drug driving offence,
will result in an extension of the P2 period for six months, plus the period of suspension.
Existing P provisions will apply: Zero BAC; display P Plates; compulsory carriage of P licence;
if tested in an automatic vehicle, can only drive a vehicle with automatic transmission;
and five or more demerit points in any 12 month period may result in licence suspension.




GRADUATION: A good driving record
Full Licence Driver New Full Licence
Requirements if
under 26 years of age
Drink-driving offenders will have to fit an alcohol ignition interlock for a minimum of
six months when re-licensed.
Licence loss mandatory at (or above) a BAC of 0.05.


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FOR people 21 years of age or over when aplying for a probationary licence
ENTRY: Minimum age of 16 years & pass a computerised knowledge test
Learner Drivers
21 to less than 25 years:
Six month minimum
25 years or over:
Three month minimum
Encourage and support:
� supervised experience
� a gradual introduction to the
complex world of driving.
New Learner
Requirements
A requirement to carry the learner permit when driving.
No mobile phone use, hands free or hands held, or any messaging of any kind.
Existing L provisions will apply: Zero BAC; accompanied by a fully licensed driver with BAC
<0.05; display L Plates; no towing; and five or more demerit points in any 12 month period
may result in licence suspension.



Learner Support
Programs
A new 120 hour L Kit and Practice Diary.
Expansion of the �Keys Please� parent-learner program.
Expansion of the L-Site interactive web site.
Improved driving instruction.
A trial community-based, volunteer mentor program to provide learner drivers who do not
have access to a car or a supervising driver with the opportunity to get experience.





GRADUATION: Minimum age of 21 years & pass an improved on-road driving test and the Hazard Perception Test
The P1 Probationary Licence period is not required for new
drivers aged 21 years or over at the time of obtaining their
first licence.
P2 Probationary Drivers
Three year minimum
Consolidate safe driving skills
and encourage safe driving.
New P2 Requirements Restrictions on driving high powered vehicles such as eight cylinder cars, cars with
turbocharged or supercharged engines, and nominated high performance six‑cylinder cars.
Offences will attract a fine and three demerit points.
Drink-driving offenders will have to fit an alcohol ignition interlock for a minimum of
six months when re‑licensed.
Any licence suspension, drink-driving offence with a BAC up to 0.05, or drug driving offence,
will result in an extension of the P2 period for six months, plus the period of suspension.
Existing P provisions will apply: Zero BAC; display P Plates; compulsory carriage of P licence;
if tested in an automatic vehicle, can only drive a vehicle with automatic transmission;
and five or more demerit points in any 12 month period may result in licence suspension.




GRADUATION: A good driving record
Full Licence Driver New Full Licence
Requirements if
under 26 years of age
Drink-driving offenders will have to fit an alcohol ignition interlock for a minimum of
six months when re-licensed.
Licence loss mandatory at (or above) a BAC of 0.05.


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MOVING TO THE NEXT LICENCE STAGE
From the Learner Permit to P1 or P2
Learners will have to take a new on-road driving test and the hazard
perception test to get a Probationary licence.
The new on-road test will be designed to differentiate better between
learners who have lots of driving experience and learners who
have less experience. This will encourage learners to get as much
experience as possible.
From P1 to P2 and From P2 to a Full Licence
Moving from a P1 licence to a P2 licence, and from a P2 licence to a full
driver licence, will require a good driving record.
Any licence suspension, drink-driving offence with a BAC up to 0.05,
or drug driving offence, will result in an extension of the P1 or P2
period for six months plus the period of suspension. P1 drivers will also
be subject to a passenger limit for the balance of their P1 period. This
will help deter new drivers from driving unsafely.
Consistent with the current provision, probationary drivers who commit
a drink driving offence with a BAC of 0.05 or above will have their
licence cancelled and must start their probationary period again when
relicensed.
What About Motorcyclists?
All relevant probationary and age-based provisions will also apply
to motorcycle riders, except for learner, towing, and high powered
vehicle restrictions that are already dealt with separately for
motorcycle riders.
THE NEW SUPPORT MEASURES
The new graduated licensing system will include support measures
that will help learner drivers, probationary drivers, parents, supervising
drivers, and instructors meet the new requirements and maximise the
safety of new drivers.
For Learner Drivers, Parents, and Supervisors
There will be a new 120 hour L Kit and Practice Diary. Learners and
their supervising drivers will use the Practice Diary to record practice
sessions and lessons, and the 120 hour Kit will include advice to
learners and their supervising drivers about how to make the best use
of the new, extended learner period.
The �Keys Please� program for learners and parents will be reviewed to
ensure it is up-to-date and will be expanded to increase the number of
young people and parents who have access to it.
The L-Site interactive web site will be reviewed and expanded
to make it a key resource for young people, parents, and other
supervising drivers.
VicRoads will work closely with Victoria�s professional driving
instructors to help them deliver the most effective driving instruction
possible. As the new on-road driving test will test safety-related skills
that develop with practice, the focus of driving instruction will be less
about passing the test, and more about practising safe driving.
A community-based, supervisor program to assist learner drivers who
might find it difficult to get the required amount of experience will be
trialled and then implemented if successful. The Government is keen
to ensure that all young people, whatever their circumstances, benefit
from the new graduated licensing system.
There will be an exemption from the 120 hour requirement in cases
of hardship. This would allow a highly restricted licence for essential
travel for new drivers aged 18 - 20 years who are unable to access a
community-based supervised driving program.
Information about the new system and how it affects young people
and their parents will be made available in a broad range of community
languages.
For P1 Drivers and Their Parents
There will be a new P1 Solo Driving Guide to help P1 drivers and their
parents in the transition to safe solo driving.
There will be a public education program and information targeting
new solo drivers to encourage them to reduce their exposure to unsafe
situations � such as driving late at night or with a car full of friends.
WHEN DOES IT START?
The new graduated licensing system will be introduced gradually
over the next two years to make sure that young drivers are prepared
for each new requirement as it is implemented.
The new alcohol-interlock rules for drink drivers on P�s or aged under
26 years will start in January 2007.
The new learner permit rules will start from July 2007, as will the
new high powered vehicle restrictions for P drivers.
All the new P1/P2 rules and the new driving test will start from
July 2008.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
VicRoads has placed extra information about the new graduated
licensing system on-line, including answers to many of the questions
Victorian drivers will want to ask. You can access this on the internet
at www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au or www.vicroads.vic.gov.au, or you
can contact VicRoads at one of our Customer Service Centres or by
telephone on 13 11 71.
VRPIN01680 06.06

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 01:18 PM

Thanks for that LX406! It sounds like i am in the clear there! Seems like it only applies to new Drivers.... Still feel sorry for the youngens tho...

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 09:43 PM

WHAT THE BGUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Liam falls to the ground and starts crying*
That is absoulte crap, and that no towing is absoulte b*llsh!t! And 120 hours compulsary, and you serious... as if they can enforce that!

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 06:18 PM

they do here..via a logbook..you can cheat of course...but if you fail the test you die..and maybe someones kids die too.

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 06:21 PM

Yeah my brothers got that, his done something like 70 hours and is 3 months away from his 17th birthday, but still, I doubt they can get most people to do it, is this a pro-posal or will these be laws?

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 06:51 PM

I wasn't going to say anything about this but i just have to.

Yes these new laws may be crap & i do understand where your coming from but it's just the way it is & i think it's a good idea.

I drive on the roads all the time and over the last 10 years i have seen an increase of higher powered cars been driven by P platers the wrong way doing real stupid things even in traffic next to your mum, dad, sibblings, family and or friends, sure not all do but still there has been an increase.

With some of the stupid things i have see them do it worries me when i think of my two girls whom will one day be on the road with them, it would be nice to know that when they are on the road with them that all the other P platers have had time to gain some experience in cars with lower power than what they have had to date.

"It's about bloody time"

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 07:36 PM

I agree with J&S Racing as i drive everyday for a living
and the stupid things i see P platers do is a worry. I have a
son on his green p's and driving a WRX inwhich i dont like
at all but he is over 18 now. The govenment has got to
realise that the 4s & 6s that are produced these days are
much faster than the common 308 or 350
cheers Keith

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 07:51 PM

sounds like 265 hemi's will become popular if your not allowed V8's lol..

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Posted 26 June 2006 - 07:57 PM

sounds like 265 hemi's will become popular if your not allowed V8's lol..


Exactly.

A worked 202 in an LJ would go just as hard as a 308 in a statesman/premier, but one is allowed and the other isnt.

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Posted 27 June 2006 - 09:59 PM

I use my torana to drive all around NSW for work to different hydro powerstation sites, once every couple of weeks. The company i work for is owned by the NSW state government and sent me on a defensive driver training course in south Sydney... which i think is a real benefit to any driver, especially a P plater. I don't drive wrecklessly and abide by the rules. I think the NSW and VIC governments should introduce a compulsory driver training course before being able to get their p plate license. Any of you out there who are youngins with a license, i suggest you should do this course... i have no doubt it will save the lives of the innocent and the guilty drivers.
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