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[barny_lx]

yeah good read

But i gotta cut back on what i read

I buy Street machine, street ford! , extreme , Performance build ups ( the current one has a wicked article on a LJ torry) AUS muscle car and more.....

[RIM-010]

IMO SM is pretty good... Only ever had one issue of AMC and none of anythin else.

Might get Performance Build ups... If the LJ article is any good.

RIM

[REDA9X]

interesting read on the development of the 308, It should certainly put some arguements to rest too about how much HP the L34 in stock form had. I saw one suggestion a stock L34 was up 140hp on a stock SLR5000, that would make a stock L34 rated at 380HP, more than HDT was producing for it's race cars!

[REDA9X]

�FACTS, A STOCK LH SLR5000 PUT OUT 240 HP OR 179KW, A STOCK LX SLR5000 WAS QUAOTED BY HOLDEN AS 250HP OR 186KW, THE A9X WAS QUOTED BY HOLDEN AS 171KW OR 230HP. THE L34 WAS QUOTED BY HOLDEN AS 240HP, SAME AS THE LH SLR5000. THE L34 WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE SLOWER OVER THE QUARTER THAN THE LH SLR5000, MOST BELIEVE IT�S DUE TO THE ROLLING DIAMETERS OF THE WHEELS, EITHER WAY, THERE WASN�T MUCH IN IT. IF THE L34 WAS 140 HP UP ON THE SLR 5000. LETS BASE IT ON THE LH SLR 5000 AT 240HP, THIS WOULD MEAN A BOG STOCK (AS IT LEFT THE FACTORY) L34 PUT OUT 370HP OR 270KW. THE ABSOLUTE BEST L34 RACE ENGINES (BIGGER CAM, BETTER INTAKE SYSTEM ie NO CHOKING AIRCLEANER, A FULL RACE EXHAUST WITH PROPER EXTRACTORS , PROPER ROLLER ROCKERS, RACE FUEL OIL COOLERS ETC) WERE PUTTING OUT LESS POWER, AND AT THE END OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT WITH THE A9X RACE CARS, THEY PUSHED 400HP OR 300KW (THE LATEST HSV GTS PUTS OUT THIS POWER WITH A BIGGER ENGINE AND 30 YEARS OF TECHNOLOGY AND IT�S A LOT NICER TO DRIVE). CONSIDER THIS THEN, IF A BOG STOCK L34 WAS PUTTING OUT 270KW, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FASTER THAN SAY THE 270KW VERSIONS OF THE HSV�S RIGHT?, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THEY WERE A LOT HEAVIER THAN AN L34, FACT IS, THE L34 IN STOCK FORM COULDN�T EVEN GET UNDER 15 SECONDS, WHILE THE HSV�S ARE IN THE LOW TO MID 14 SECONDS. A GTHO PH3 DID A 13.7 SEC QUARTER. FORD RATED IT�S POWER AT 300HP, BUT MOST AGREE IT�S MORE LIKE 350HP. THE HO IS A FAR MORE BRUTAL CAR THAN A STOCK L34 AND A LOT HEAVIER TOO, BUT YET, T DOES A QUICKER QUARTER WITH LESS HP THAN A STOCK L34??? SOMEHOW, I DON�T THINK SO. YOU DIDN�T HAVE TO BE OLD ENOUGH TO DRIVE THE CARS FROM NEW TO WORK THESE FIGURES OUT. AS I SAID BEFORE, RACE CARS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE ROAD GOING VERSION WHICH DIDN'T HAVE THE FULL OPEN EXHAUST, IT WAS CHOKED AT THE FIRST JOIN, AND THEN AGAIN AFTER THE MUFFLERS. BTW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CLUE HOW OLD I AM, (OBVIOUSLY AMONG OTHER THINGS SINCE YOU DECIDED TO GET PERSONAL) AND i KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD ALL 3 OF THESE CARS FROM NEW WHO WOULD ALSO DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

Edited by REDA9X, 24 June 2006 - 07:41 PM.

[micklx]

I think the point of Reds first post was that over the years there have been some rather big numbers claimed for L34s. Whether this was done by the blokes down at the pub, people who owned the car, journos or whoever. The fact is that in the absence of accurate factory figures people imaginations run amok.
The AMC story talks to more than one race engine builder from that era and all their numbers are similar for their race engines which helps put the output of the std. L34 into perspective.

This is my opinion after reading the story. You are all entitled to have your own.

[REDA9X]

exactly my point, thanks mick.

[REDA9X]

I never ever put the L34 down, and I wasn't trying to make it out to be worth less or make the A9X appear to be worth more, not at all, my only arguement here is the facts of performance have been stretched.

[REDA9X]

I have it somewhere, I have a pile of magazines spread from you know where to you know where looking for that particular mag. It's here somewhere....