_judgelj_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:02 PM
Guys,
Have a bit of an interesting one... Is it un roadworthy to have a MPH speedo? I had a bit of an issue with this on my bike for RW, but not for my car, and i know a lot of other people with MPH speedos, im sure most of you do? I was a bit surprised when he told me, how do the blokes in vintage cars get away with it.
This cant be right, can it?
Oh My, Don't you post alot
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:05 PM
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:07 PM
_judgelj_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:52 PM
Ohh perhaps because the bike requires a KPH speedo, thats the catch
ǝɹnʇxıɟ ɯnɹoɟ
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:54 PM
Hi
I have always been lead to believe that speedos weren't compulsory under the ADRs until 1/7/88 but if your car has a speedo fitted, then it must be in working condition to pass a roadworthy.
Cheers
Bazza
_Matvex_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:56 PM
my EH had a RW done 1 1/2 years ago with its MPH speedo.
_judgelj_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:07 PM
Hrm, well it must be an ADR thing, but he made out like all vehicles must have a KPH speedo despite year.
ǝɹnʇxıɟ ɯnɹoɟ
Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:40 PM
Hrm, well it must be an ADR thing, but he made out like all vehicles must have a KPH speedo despite year.
Hi
From the VicRoads RWC guidelines:
Cheers
Bazza
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Has been Torana owner
Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:51 PM
The quote above Bazza is the 3rd edition ADR's. Our Torry's were built to comply with the 2nd edition ADR's Therefore any Australian complied and built vehicle with a MPH speedo remains compliant. From memory speedos in cars with a MPH reading were up until around 1974. The early 1974 LH torana's had a speedo with both. Not sure if any of the LJ's went to the KPH speedos in 74. Off the top of my head I am unsure when bikes changed. But it would be very similar to cars but maybe a year or so later.
Cheers,
Gerry
Forum Fixture
Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:19 PM
My July 73 LJ has KPH as the main reading and also MPH as a secondary scale, so KPH came in sometime before then.
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:28 PM
About 72 I think, Bazza would know.
Cheers.
Has been Torana owner
Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:29 PM
Sounds about right 73/74. ADR 18/-- from memory.
Has been Torana owner
Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:38 PM
Just had a look. ADR 18/-- started January 1973.
Scrivet Counter
Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:13 PM
My July 73 LJ has KPH as the main reading and also MPH as a secondary scale, so KPH came in sometime before then.
July 73 is when GMH introduced dual scale speedometers into production of LJ Torana and HQ Holden models.
They had originally slated March/April 73 as the introduction date but for whatever reason that was pushed back to July 73.
Bazza is correct, no ADR forcing manufacturers to install KPH speedos existed until 1/07/1988.
ADR 18 has nothing to do with KPH speedos, rather it is about visibility of instruments.
_judgelj_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:19 PM
Has been Torana owner
Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:48 PM
ADR 18 required a vehicle to have a speedo and vaious other instruments and as S Pack said, it also relates to visability. I am pretty sure that the Draft Consolidated Regulations was the mechanism for the KPH and MPH ruling. Been a good 5 years now since I left the vehicle tech department of the ACT RTA so am a little rusty on things but still have a fair recollection. I know it is enforced in most states and territories that a vehicle post 1973/74 must have a KPH speedo. Sorry can't help much more than that. If I was at work I could still get hold of the exact info but still on hoilidays :-)
Cheers, Gerry
"Have you still got that Torana!"
Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:54 PM
_judgelj_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:42 PM
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:47 PM
I would put my coin on one of those two options. Probably the latter.
Speedo may have failed, way cheaper to buy one from the states, bike is already rego'd so no issues....
Cheers.
Scrivet Counter
Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:33 PM
ADR 18 required a vehicle to have a speedo and vaious other instruments and as S Pack said, it also relates to visability. I am pretty sure that the Draft Consolidated Regulations was the mechanism for the KPH and MPH ruling. Been a good 5 years now since I left the vehicle tech department of the ACT RTA so am a little rusty on things but still have a fair recollection. I know it is enforced in most states and territories that a vehicle post 1973/74 must have a KPH speedo. Sorry can't help much more than that. If I was at work I could still get hold of the exact info but still on hoilidays :-)
Cheers, Gerry
Gerry
ADR 18 applicable 1 January 1973 does not mandate a speedometer nor any other instrument. It is only about visibility of those instruments if fitted.
ADR 18 amended to include metric only speedometers and odometers for vehicles built on and from 1 July 1988.
You may be correct about the Draft Regulations however those ADRs were not adopted as a legally binding set of standards.
Cheers
Dave.
_Bomber Watson_
Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:45 PM
Sssooo technically we dont need speedo's in our Toranas?
Or does it come back to factory fitment? They were factory fitted so there must be one?
Im just thinking it opens up a nice loophole for GPS speedo's, which TMK are illegal....
Cheers.
Scrivet Counter
Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:53 PM
Sssooo technically we dont need speedo's in our Toranas? It would appear that way.
Or does it come back to factory fitment? They were factory fitted so there must be one? I believe that would be the case.
Im just thinking it opens up a nice loophole for GPS speedo's, which TMK are illegal.... Got no idea...........
Cheers
Dave.
_LS1 Hatch_
Posted 17 January 2014 - 01:43 AM
Has been Torana owner
Posted 17 January 2014 - 08:16 AM
Gerry
ADR 18 applicable 1 January 1973 does not mandate a speedometer nor any other instrument. It is only about visibility of those instruments if fitted.
ADR 18 amended to include metric only speedometers and odometers for vehicles built on and from 1 July 1988.
You may be correct about the Draft Regulations however those ADRs were not adopted as a legally binding set of standards.
Cheers
Dave.
You have me intrigued now Dave. Will look into it when I get back to work. The 2nd addition ADR's are mostly obsolete now an have been repealed as the 3rd edition ones take precedence (1988 onwards). However, being older vehicles, they must still comply with all relevant ones they were built too. You cannot force a later ADR on an older vehicle, but the owner may choose to comply with a later ADR. I am still of the opinion that ADR 18 was the requirement for a speedo albeit it is not written like that. It may be the Draft regs or even the AVSR's that clarify this matter. Generally, the manufacturers got headwind of the new changes to the ADR's and inplemented them 6 or so months prior to them being mandatory. Hence some vehicles having the changes made prior to the change. As mentioned, will look into it when I return to work next week. It is definitely an intersting topic and will be good to see what the exact ruling is. From past experience, they were always required, it is just a matter of finding out exactly when. I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong though :-)
Cheers, Gerry
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