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#26 Orange SS

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:05 AM

yeah I probably shouldve just removed all the aircon and fitted a chev as it wouldve tidied up the engine bay and solved my issue however I went the other way and had it kitted out with new gas and it works great so I would like to keep it if possible.

 

Now that I've been informed that solid cams dont need clearance checked as often as I had thought I will look at what I can do with one of them and some decent heads. Does anyone have any recommendations there as I have no experience with this at all.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:26 PM

I got a 288 solid with ported vn heads made 500 hp

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:11 PM

now you see my issue. if it wasnt a factory fitted aircon it would've seen some mods to make it smaller when I had it kitted a while back. It works really well but if I had the option now I'd probably remove it cause my car is not 100% as it left the factory anyway.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:15 PM

yeah. 

 

But look, if your coining towards a quirky factory deal type thing, probably best to leave the engine stock and keep it all orig?



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 03:00 AM

Its so much easier and cheaper to get very big Hp and reliability out of an LS or SBC for minimum expense vs what you have to spend to get less out of the old plastic.

 

But because of your situation you certainly can get decent flow potential out of the old cast plastic heads, but you have to spend quite a few hours on the die grinder. I have been in similar situation when doing a restore rather than building a modified hotrod where I could cut up the car to do the relevant upgrades. But yet even in a factory like showroom restore I admit I just can't stand driving a std plastic engine the lack of mumbo that holden blessed it with is like watching grass grow.

 

Talk to TK he has tweaked the old cast bricks intake to 244cfm with .5 lift which is pretty decent considering the poor head design and he used a small 1.94" intake valve.

 

Valve size is stock L34 (1.94")

.1 - 66.1
.2 - 132
.3 - 187.3
.4 - 223 - 457hp
.5 - 243.6 - 499hp
.6 - 250.3 - 513hp
.65 - 252 - 516hp

 

That's 500+ hp air flow potential at flat tappet lifts with the pushrod & window cross-sections to support a 355 up to 6500rpm or a 308 past 7000rpm.

With a TP single intake, 355 cubes, a cam in the high 240's low 250's & 11.5:1 comp this port *should* go pretty damn close on a real 500hp whilst remaining reliable enough for circuit or street use.
Pretty happy with this port, I could squeeze more out of it, but I'd be making it a bit thin.

 

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:35 AM

I am no expert engine builder but have seen some 308 heads built and they were what most people would consider rubbish,yet with standard valve sizes and a

and some minor mods. to unshroud the intake and a roller cam coupled with a std. intake manifold with a quady on top the thing made 320 bhp,it was in a brokodore

and the owner just kept the std. stuff to keep it looking std.

No doubt a bit more could have been squeezed out of it but for a car that your Granny could drive down the main street 320 is not a bad number and in a Torana should be

plenty fun and still be able to driven sedately should you choose to do so.

 

Big valves/ports is not always the answer despite the fact that the numbers tell you that this head makes this much HP etc.Put a shit cam in it and see if it makes

the claimed HP figure.If you have ever driven a 253 with a big valve/port head coupled with a baby cam you will know what I am talking about...worse than stock,and that's bad.

 

If budget is a factor a cleaned up set of std heads with std valves/ports and unshrouded intakes with a CR to suit a solid cam should be plenty.

A lot of the race concerns now work on air speed as an important factor rather than bigger is better, although you still need size for flow it comes down to our

enemy of having to compromise somewhere along the way.






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