I am looking for a relatively cost effective upgrade to the brake setup on my LC ... at current it is stock with disc fronts and drum rears.
Just wondering what all the things I'd need to take into consideration and if anyone has any idea of a ballpark price for such...
Would it be advisable to upgrade the master cylinder/brake booster or what ever is involved here.
The wheels are currently 13" rims so what ever would fit under those ... I don't want to go and spend a heap but if thats what it takes then I guess I'll have to start putting some money aside ...
Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated
Cheers
-Al
ps. I have never dealt with the brakes before but am wanting to learn so possibly wont know all of the terms involved...
good reasonable upgrade for brakes on an LC
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:10 AM
i've found the factory Lc Lj disk brakes are brilliant
but cause of there age sometimes they need a recon
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but cause of there age sometimes they need a recon
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 11:01 AM
really?
I guess mine are in the above category of 'needing a recondition' as I find they fade super fast and the back ones lock up under not so heavy a load. The front ones can only deal with such a heavy stop like 3 times and then it's a case of 'yep the stop line was back that way' ... kind of scary
hmm ... whats involved in 'reconditioning' brakes then?
Cheers
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I guess mine are in the above category of 'needing a recondition' as I find they fade super fast and the back ones lock up under not so heavy a load. The front ones can only deal with such a heavy stop like 3 times and then it's a case of 'yep the stop line was back that way' ... kind of scary
hmm ... whats involved in 'reconditioning' brakes then?
Cheers
-Al
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 01:11 PM
I would upgrade to LH brakes but it would probably be better to pm Dattoman with what budget & plans you have.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 05:17 PM
I'd recon the original calipers
Fit some tasty pads like Ferodo XL (street) or DS2500 (fast street and some circuit)
Maybe fit the spacers in the caliper if you don't already have them, and fit the XU1 thicker disc. (slotted)
If your really keen get some stainless braided hoses.
I wouldn't bother putting single pot torana brakes on when you already have the better 2 pot caliper.
Fit some tasty pads like Ferodo XL (street) or DS2500 (fast street and some circuit)
Maybe fit the spacers in the caliper if you don't already have them, and fit the XU1 thicker disc. (slotted)
If your really keen get some stainless braided hoses.
I wouldn't bother putting single pot torana brakes on when you already have the better 2 pot caliper.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 06:20 PM
Well that seems relatively straight forward without much need for a lot of modifying.
The spacers I do not have so will need those.
I imagine the pads will be easy to source, but is it that easy to find the spacers for the calipers and the XU1 thicker discs?
What advantage does stainless braided hoses bring to this party?
Is there any need to upgrade my brake booster ... one of those double diaphram ones maybe. I do not completely understand it's purpose in all of this but people seem to change these when they are upgrading their brakes from my understanding.
Also ... would you be able to give me a rough idea of cost of each of these things so I can see where I sit for such an upgrade.
Cheers
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The spacers I do not have so will need those.
I imagine the pads will be easy to source, but is it that easy to find the spacers for the calipers and the XU1 thicker discs?
What advantage does stainless braided hoses bring to this party?
Is there any need to upgrade my brake booster ... one of those double diaphram ones maybe. I do not completely understand it's purpose in all of this but people seem to change these when they are upgrading their brakes from my understanding.
Also ... would you be able to give me a rough idea of cost of each of these things so I can see where I sit for such an upgrade.
Cheers
-Al
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:11 AM
XU1 disc is easy to get
Its a DBA004 and is avail in DBA brand and a few other imports
They can be had in slotted too for extra bite
Spacers are my issue at the moment
I don't currently have any. I sent my last set to a forum member who was going to copy them and send them back (or pay for them) neither has happened
So till I get some mor elasercut I can't help you without going back to my old work and buying them at twice the price.
Stainless steel hoses improve the pedal feel by taking out the flex that rubber hoses have. Makes it more "solid"
Your booster doesn't need changing..... some people do as the XU1 had a bigger one. But its not essential
It provides vacuum assist nothing more. So bigger one makes the pedal lighter to apply while still emitting the same force
If your happy with the application pressure now then stick with it.
$95 each for plain Chinese discs
$119 each for DBA plain discs
$148 each for DBA slotted discs
Pads depends where you shop........ XL's would be under $50 I think
DS2500's around $160
Braided hoses I can't remember but I have sold 2 or 3 sets to forum members...... I'll guess and say they were around the $100 each mark
Spacers I used to sell for $40 set of 4
My old work wants to sell them to me for $60 per set of 4..... the shits.
Plus you have the frieght factor ....... but you should be able to source locally
Cebco might be able to help in Melbourne. Or even Stedz off the forums...... he works for ABS brakes.
Cheers
Neil
Its a DBA004 and is avail in DBA brand and a few other imports
They can be had in slotted too for extra bite
Spacers are my issue at the moment
I don't currently have any. I sent my last set to a forum member who was going to copy them and send them back (or pay for them) neither has happened
So till I get some mor elasercut I can't help you without going back to my old work and buying them at twice the price.
Stainless steel hoses improve the pedal feel by taking out the flex that rubber hoses have. Makes it more "solid"
Your booster doesn't need changing..... some people do as the XU1 had a bigger one. But its not essential
It provides vacuum assist nothing more. So bigger one makes the pedal lighter to apply while still emitting the same force
If your happy with the application pressure now then stick with it.
$95 each for plain Chinese discs
$119 each for DBA plain discs
$148 each for DBA slotted discs
Pads depends where you shop........ XL's would be under $50 I think
DS2500's around $160
Braided hoses I can't remember but I have sold 2 or 3 sets to forum members...... I'll guess and say they were around the $100 each mark
Spacers I used to sell for $40 set of 4
My old work wants to sell them to me for $60 per set of 4..... the shits.
Plus you have the frieght factor ....... but you should be able to source locally
Cebco might be able to help in Melbourne. Or even Stedz off the forums...... he works for ABS brakes.
Cheers
Neil
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 03:05 AM
I think that if I'm going to go ahead with all of this I'll do it all, so the slotted rotors, good pads and the braided hoses sound all to be in order ... I guess I'll have to start a bit of hunting for those spacers ... is needing only 2 going to be a problem?
Is this upgrade soemthing that I could easily do myself with a limited mechanical ability and do you still believe that some sort of reconditioning of the current calipers is in order?
While I'm on this, is it a good idea to do something about the drums on the rear or just make sure they're in working order as I find they always lock well and truly before the front ones give signs of ceasing up ... another option I guess is to just put really stiff suspension on all around so it wont matter so much ...
Cheers for all the info Dattoman
-Al
Is this upgrade soemthing that I could easily do myself with a limited mechanical ability and do you still believe that some sort of reconditioning of the current calipers is in order?
While I'm on this, is it a good idea to do something about the drums on the rear or just make sure they're in working order as I find they always lock well and truly before the front ones give signs of ceasing up ... another option I guess is to just put really stiff suspension on all around so it wont matter so much ...
Cheers for all the info Dattoman
-Al
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:41 PM
Just service the rears so they are working
A new pair of P5573 wheel cylinders and some new N1132 shoes won't brake the bank (get it..... brake the bank...... oh never mind)
You'd need 4 spacers...... 2 per caliper.
I can try to get some from the old boss if you need them
You can have them at my cost plus post.
The rest should all be available from any reputable autoparts store or brake specialist like ABS
The hoses can be easily made...... Cebco doubles as Hosequip one of the largest brake hose manufacturers in Melb
Not to mention Hoppers Stoppers have a machine to make them too
Peter is very helpful also and can cetrainly sort you out for parts
Tell him I sent you...... he's a good guy.
Infact..... he might have the spacers....... if not let me know and I'll see if I can get a sample to him and he could get them made
Cheers
Neil
A new pair of P5573 wheel cylinders and some new N1132 shoes won't brake the bank (get it..... brake the bank...... oh never mind)
You'd need 4 spacers...... 2 per caliper.
I can try to get some from the old boss if you need them
You can have them at my cost plus post.
The rest should all be available from any reputable autoparts store or brake specialist like ABS
The hoses can be easily made...... Cebco doubles as Hosequip one of the largest brake hose manufacturers in Melb
Not to mention Hoppers Stoppers have a machine to make them too
Peter is very helpful also and can cetrainly sort you out for parts
Tell him I sent you...... he's a good guy.
Infact..... he might have the spacers....... if not let me know and I'll see if I can get a sample to him and he could get them made
Cheers
Neil
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 03:35 PM
Datts,
could he be encouraged to find some HK? 10" drums for the back, or would that not make much of a difference?
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could he be encouraged to find some HK? 10" drums for the back, or would that not make much of a difference?
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 07:33 PM
ah mate go dba breaks...
i got them on my lj didnt cost too much. go for the slotted only, DO NOT buy drilled and slotted as ive herd they can overheat and crack...
i got them on my lj didnt cost too much. go for the slotted only, DO NOT buy drilled and slotted as ive herd they can overheat and crack...
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 07:42 PM
It would improve it if he needs alittle more rear brake
Would need the whole backing plate assy inc shoes,adjusters etc
They could be sourced of any of the larger H series as they are all the same
Its just the drum that needs to be HK-T-G to get the right stud pattern
Would need the whole backing plate assy inc shoes,adjusters etc
They could be sourced of any of the larger H series as they are all the same
Its just the drum that needs to be HK-T-G to get the right stud pattern
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 01:32 PM
dattoman: I'll give this Peter fellow from Hoppers a call and see if he can help me out ...
If I cannot get these over here I would like to take you up on the offer of spacers from your old place and I would obviously compensate you for any inconvenience and cost incurred. Or with sending him a sample etc. etc. I'll see what he says about that option. Cheers.
enderwigginau: You've got me thinking with this suggestion ... if they are 10" drums, what are mine currently? Even a slight upgrade could be a good thing even though the rears tend to only share a small portion of the load of total breaking done.
70rey: Aren't DBA brakes the ones that I'm going with under Datts suggestion here? I shall keep it in mind about the slotted only though. Cheers.
I am also wondering if this project would be possible to do myself... if not which parts of this upgrade would be doable by a relatively able and mechanically minded person with limited equiptment like myself and which should be left to someone with more experience and correct tools? Also, on second thought I'll be holding off on the braided hoses for a little while as I don't deem them as pressing as the other things.
Thanks for all your help
Cheers
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If I cannot get these over here I would like to take you up on the offer of spacers from your old place and I would obviously compensate you for any inconvenience and cost incurred. Or with sending him a sample etc. etc. I'll see what he says about that option. Cheers.
enderwigginau: You've got me thinking with this suggestion ... if they are 10" drums, what are mine currently? Even a slight upgrade could be a good thing even though the rears tend to only share a small portion of the load of total breaking done.
70rey: Aren't DBA brakes the ones that I'm going with under Datts suggestion here? I shall keep it in mind about the slotted only though. Cheers.
I am also wondering if this project would be possible to do myself... if not which parts of this upgrade would be doable by a relatively able and mechanically minded person with limited equiptment like myself and which should be left to someone with more experience and correct tools? Also, on second thought I'll be holding off on the braided hoses for a little while as I don't deem them as pressing as the other things.
Thanks for all your help
Cheers
-Al
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 02:52 PM
Std Torana Drums are 9" if I remember correctly.
Datts will correct me if wrong.
Was a pretty std conversion in the 70s/early 80s - most of the Nc cars should be running them if there wasn't a contemporary volvo or such bigger size.
All of this should be easily achievable for anyone, even with limited capabilities.
Just don't start on Sunday, aiming for Monday morning.
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Datts will correct me if wrong.
Was a pretty std conversion in the 70s/early 80s - most of the Nc cars should be running them if there wasn't a contemporary volvo or such bigger size.
All of this should be easily achievable for anyone, even with limited capabilities.
Just don't start on Sunday, aiming for Monday morning.
Grant..
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