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#26 _sloper_

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 05:54 PM

Goodaye all

 

Use the right oil for the right Job.

 

l use Penrite in all the cars as it has the highest zinc levels and all my engines are designed for it.

Diesel oils are high detergent and keep the engine internals clean.

Use on a new engine maybe, but not on a old engine as it cleans all the seal and it will start leaking badley.

l have used diesel oil for a month to clean the internals a bit before a tear down.

 

The Sloper uses HPR 50 (1940) the engine needs to gunk up a bit to stop the oil leaks.

57 wagon 283 Chev new motor HPR 30 used the Crow cam lube in it for the first month as well.

Magnum older high kms motor HPR 50 all good.

Grp3 HPR40, used Mobil synthetic with new motor for 5 years until it started leaking, now using HPR30 stopped leaking.

HG Prem original untouched motor HPR50, no smoke or rattles.

 

In the 80's most of the oil manufacturers lowered there zinc level as it was not good for Catalytic converters.

Problems then arose with push rod engines with cam lobes wearing in very short time.

The zinc provided better break in lubrication.

This is when it became the norm to break in a cam on a new motor, no one back then was told why it suddenly needed to be done.

 

So were back to the beginning right oil for the job.

In a red six l would use a older style oil with a high zinc content but the latest Holden/Chev offerings a synthetic.

Diesel engine, diesel oil.

 

Would also like to know if your engine builder would honor a warrenty claim for diesel oil in a petrol engine, l bet the component manufactures would'nt.

 

Tip just before a oil change add 1 cup of kero into the oil of a warm engine and run for 15mins, cleans out the gunk before putting fresh oil in.

(very old school)

 

 

regards Bruce



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 06:04 PM

A lot of information there Bruce,

 

Like button for you.

 

My Dad swore by Diesel Oil for cleaning out the gunk for the new oil change,

 

(I always thought it was oil with diesel in it)  :furious:



Goodaye all

 

Use the right oil for the right Job.

 

l use Penrite in all the cars as it has the highest zinc levels and all my engines are designed for it.

Diesel oils are high detergent and keep the engine internals clean.

Use on a new engine maybe, but not on a old engine as it cleans all the seal and it will start leaking badley.

l have used diesel oil for a month to clean the internals a bit before a tear down.

 

The Sloper uses HPR 50 (1940) the engine needs to gunk up a bit to stop the oil leaks.

57 wagon 283 Chev new motor HPR 30 used the Crow cam lube in it for the first month as well.

Magnum older high kms motor HPR 50 all good.

Grp3 HPR40, used Mobil synthetic with new motor for 5 years until it started leaking, now using HPR30 stopped leaking.

HG Prem original untouched motor HPR50, no smoke or rattles.

 

In the 80's most of the oil manufacturers lowered there zinc level as it was not good for Catalytic converters.

Problems then arose with push rod engines with cam lobes wearing in very short time.

The zinc provided better break in lubrication.

This is when it became the norm to break in a cam on a new motor, no one back then was told why it suddenly needed to be done.

 

So were back to the beginning right oil for the job.

In a red six l would use a older style oil with a high zinc content but the latest Holden/Chev offerings a synthetic.

Diesel engine, diesel oil.

 

Would also like to know if your engine builder would honor a warrenty claim for diesel oil in a petrol engine, l bet the component manufactures would'nt.

 

Tip just before a oil change add 1 cup of kero into the oil of a warm engine and run for 15mins, cleans out the gunk before putting fresh oil in.

(very old school)

 

 

regards Bruce



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 08:53 PM

Just a question from a dummy...why doesnt everyone just run diesel oil?.
I.e for all these years theres been oil for cars and then oils for trucks.
Pls dont tell me its just marketing to stiff Joe Public?..again

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 09:00 PM

Just a question from a dummy...why doesnt everyone just run diesel oil?.
I.e for all these years theres been oil for cars and then oils for trucks.
Pls dont tell me its just marketing to stiff Joe Public?..again

Most normal people dont run diesel oil in petrol engines Col
your not the dummy thats for sure

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 09:13 PM

There are some diesel oils that are classed as mixed fleet oils like delo 400 and rx super, these oils are higher spec'd oils and

suited to a wider range of uses. Some mixed fleet oils can also be used in certain hydraulic systems and also as a gear oil in some transmissions.

I've used delo 400 for more than 15 years but have recently changed to Rx super due to local supply problems, The 3 cars, 2 diesel one petrol,  mowers, trucks, tractor bobcat and excavators and stationary engines, waterpumps and generator all get serviced with the same oil.



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Posted 24 January 2016 - 10:05 PM

Ha, the engine builder I was speaking to also said "DO NOT RUN PENRITE!" As he had heard (yes more unsubstantiated rumours I know) that cases of varnishing has been linked to their oil.

I've been running Penrite (yes I'll admit it) HPR30 in the 202 since day one of the rebuild in 1987. The engine has done 66,000km and a couple of years ago I installed stronger pushrods and a new set of lifters.

 

From what I saw I would say there is no issue with varnish build up from the HPR 30. The engine components were quite clean once the oil was wiped off.



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:14 AM

As DNO pointed out they aren't diesel oils they're mixed fleet oils ie. diesel OR petrol. They meet the petrol oil API specs so you really wouldn't be able to knock back a warranty claim from anyone running a mixed fleet oil.

 

Why does everyone get so excited about oil? Why the religious fervour? Just run whatever you want to run.



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 06:05 AM

Thanks oldjohnno, thats precisely right. Although what I purchased is labelled "diesel" oil, I obviously made sure it was suitable as mixed fleet. As I said earlier, really I just wanted to tap into peoples knowledge such as yourself as this is the first time I have used a mixed fleet oil. Anyway its done now. I fired it up for the first time yesterday and hit the hills to load it up......

Thanks oldjohnno, thats precisely right. Although what I purchased is labelled "diesel" oil, I obviously made sure it was suitable as mixed fleet. As I said earlier, really I just wanted to tap into peoples knowledge such as yourself as this is the first time I have used a mixed fleet oil. Anyway its done now. I fired it up for the first time yesterday and hit the hills to load it up......

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 09:29 AM

So what are your thought on mixed fleet oils then? Would they be suitable for a performance Holden 6 if it was run from the beginning on a new engine or is there something better suited out there?



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 09:48 AM

OJ covers this in depth on his website. 

 

http://oldjohnno.id.au/



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 09:54 AM

Been using Shell Rimular X diesel oil in all my vehicles for over thirty years, I have found I have better oil pressure than the more expensive full synthetic oils. Never had to pull any of my engines down because I have never had a problem with them. When I have removed the rocker covers for a tappet adjustment check it looks like they have only done 10 km. Never had a cam problem either. The only exception is the beemer because they recommend a 10w60 oil.  



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Posted 29 January 2016 - 03:08 PM

three cents.

 

 

with my new engine there was two choices;

 

joe gibbs - BR - for brake in oil 

penn grade green oil 

 

 

As I'm about to brake in a fresh engine on the dyno i spoke to the bloke today and he recommended the joe gibbs and only uses this in all his engines.

 

 

he did say with the BR oil we could get some tunning done on the motor prior to dropping the oil.

 

We had a discussion today we had around the penn grade green oil was that it turned to piss and lost oil pressure - the joe gibs stuff does not turn to piss once warm.

 

 

I'll let you know how things go next week.






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