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[rexy]

Hi team,

I have had a dig around in the various ADR and RWC listings on the web but can’t find the answer to my question.

Is there a requirement for the auto trans shifter to have a gear position indicator? If so, does it have to be illuminated?

 

Thanks in advance.

[71xu1]

As far as I know yes to both, but this is from VSB14.

[axistr]

Yes to both, also the inhibitor switch can only allow the starter motor to engage in indicated positions park and neutral. 

[claysummers]

I have seen a few cars pass inspection going back here in SA with indicators showing incorrect shift pattern, eg column shift trimatic, using EK to EH Hydramatic column. Yes they had indicators but no interest taken in ensuring they were correct.


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[claysummers]

Yes the focus was on neutral safety switch function rather than selector indication. Checked the car would only start in park or neutral, but by selecting drive or reverse with the engine running, then switch off and attempt to start. Anyway they passed inspection but maybe more luck than compliance.


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[yel327]

I’m going through this with my HK. Finding a HG Trimatic console insert is near impossible. I have the 3 speed shifter but the indicator must show all gears.

[S pack]

Rexy, I assume this is for a Torana?

The most I could find in the ADR's that apply to a Torana are there should be an automatic transmission gear position indicator but nothing about it having to be illuminated at night.

Edited by S pack, 24 April 2020 - 09:27 AM.

[arrimar]

On an EH that we converted to Trimatic we cut the letters out and rearranged their order. Nowdays I think you can buy the indicator to suit.

[Shiney005]

Well, that makes all of the old B&M shifters illegal. Being produced for left hand drive cars, the indicator was on the left side. I guess they have a right hand drive version these days??

[claysummers]

On an EH that we converted to Trimatic we cut the letters out and rearranged their order. Nowdays I think you can buy the indicator to suit.

You just adapt powerglide one from HD HR. Then you have PRNDL. Alright no differentiation between 1 and 2 but doesn’t seem to be an issue.


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[S pack]

You just adapt powerglide one from HD HR. Then you have PRNDL. Alright no differentiation between 1 and 2 but doesn’t seem to be an issue.


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Drive & Low says it all for a Powerglide doesn't it?

[claysummers]

Drive & Low says it all for a Powerglide doesn't it?

Yes but not for trimatic. That is the point.


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[S pack]

Yes but not for trimatic. That is the point.
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Oooops, I should have re-read what Arrimar posted.

[rexy]

Rexy, I assume this is for a Torana?

The most I could find in the ADR's that apply to a Torana are there should be an automatic transmission gear position indicator but nothing about it having to be illuminated at night.

Thats very helpful.

Really reduces options if it has to be illuminated.

 

Is potentially for a 2/76 plated Torana.

[mick_in_oz]

I also thought it had to be illuminated.

Surely if it has to have a gear position indicator, it needs to be illuminated, as it would no longer have an gear position indicated once all is dark...

[S pack]

ADR 9 - STD Controls for automatic transmissions - effective 1 January 1972.

ADR 9 stipulates the selection layout for the gears (D N R P) and the requirement to incorporate a starter motor interlock but there is no mention whatsoever that any gear selection indicator must be illuminated.

 

ADR 18 - Visibility of Instruments - effective 1 January 1973.

ADR 18 mentions that all visual indicators, other than indicator lamps, shall be fitted with variable intensity lamps.

The list of what is considered to be a 'Visual Indicator' subject to control by this ADR does not include the automatic transmission selector display.

 

 

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Edited by S pack, 24 April 2020 - 10:52 PM.

[rodomo]

Hi team,
I have had a dig around in the various ADR and RWC listings on the web but can’t find the answer to my question.

I had a dig around for about 1/2 an hour tonight on google and I see what you're up against. Looks like everything to find is an amendment?

I'll have a look in the shed tomorrow if I remember as I think I still have the folder from VicRoads when I was a tester.

[madtoranajzedded]

I read same somewhere i had to use light also running
hurst 2spd shifter.im going to put a light in to keep
Acessors happy.it more a bugger around putting red shift
Indicator needle on the side of shifter.least of my
problems but..

[RallyRed]

would make sense for it to be reqd. to be illuminated....couldn't see the letters of a night time, therefore the letters would be there  i.e. not meet the rules.?

[RallyRed]

Admittedly from a QLD doco, that details reasons for REJECTING a vehicle at inspection/testing. It does also say "AND"  i.e. no selector indicator AND light.

Thus, you could imagine either one would be satisfactory?

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[Dr Terry]

Like many rego items, it could apply only IF the light was originally fitted. There were many early autos (e.g. XK-XM Falcons) where there was no light, so for a RWC it would not be required.

 

Is there an ADR for this ?

 

Dr Terry

[orangeLJ]

Wouldnt be too hard to rig up a single led to point downward at the indicator.

It doesn't say backlit.

[rodomo]

Yes it needs an indicator. My rule of thumb, as a past tester, it would also have to be illuminated if that vehicle was originally fitted with it. My advice would be to ask your tester.

Footnote:
In 1989, the Road Traffic Authority was merged with the Road Construction Authority to form the Roads Corporation, trading under the name VicRoads.

 

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[S pack]

Like many rego items, it could apply only IF the light was originally fitted. There were many early autos (e.g. XK-XM Falcons) where there was no light, so for a RWC it would not be required.

 

Is there an ADR for this ?

 

Dr Terry

I've searched through the Second edition ADR's and the 3rd Edition ADR's and cannot find any ADR that states the shift indicator for an auto transmission must be illuminated.

Makes perfect sense though to illuminate the shift indicator on a retro fit if the OEM automatic transmission option for the model of vehicle had that feature.

[lh 4dr]

Well, that makes all of the old B&M shifters illegal. Being produced for left hand drive cars, the indicator was on the left side. I guess they have a right hand drive version these days??

I have a B & M Quicksilver in my torana, I used a heater core control cable and made a couple of brackets to link the b&m to the original indicator under the console. As I have a t700 I used the work sticker cutter and cut new PNRD321 stickers fitted in the correct positions as the old marks didn't line up. Uses original light and indicator with only the chrome shifter stalk showing. Been working perfectly for about 3 years now.