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#76 _rorym_

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:08 AM

Greggy..I am off to patent the Modern Series Production Class Monday! :clap: :spoton:
Yeah I get what you said but I was just looking at the major basics on components..
Also need a clause Scrutineers decision is final, no corespondence will be entered into..
Pretty hard to get away with too much if the original specs from early 70s are used with a few tweaks like wheels eared sumps etc for reliability.

The Biante thing as Peter has told us..is just a rich kids game now. We need the grass roots to come back..Sheet! In my day watching they used to drive the bloody things to the meetings for christ sake!
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:28 AM

diff housing as per original
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brakes as per manufacturers spec must use factory calipers for that model car.
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Suspension pick up's maybe, there's only so many banjo diff's around. We are converting a Borg Warner to Torana suspension pickups and get the bigger axles.

Torrie brakes are crap, better going ventilated disks front, and disk rears. Damn drum brakes bite on hard.

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:29 AM

V8 supertaxis bore me nowdays

Ditto, although looking forward to seeing the new VE's go through their paces today.

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:34 AM

You might want to list all the cars that are allowed to enter.. ie Falcon XA,XB,XC sedan/Coupe,Torana LH, LX, UC (6) Sedan/hatch, etc.. no sports cars like say Datsun 240Z, Ferrari,porsch ??

What tyre profile... 60? or 50? I think 8x15 on fords ok..15x7 is a bit small, its a big car!! I run 15x8 on my thing and I have trouble getting grip..
XD Falcon started in 79 by the way...

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 09:39 AM

There are a few mods that would need to be specifically allowed or banned for each particular car, specialists would need to consult on this as one person wouldnt now everything about Holdens when they know more about Fords.

With the disc rotors would aftermarket replacements such as plain DBAs be acceptable?

What about HQ brakes on LHs same as L34s, or A9X rear end or T10s in LHs or L34 heads and distributors on LXs?

What about a panhard rod on an LH like the Wynns car with its arse in the air after it ran off the road, it passed scrutineering.

Or Harrys semi-dry sump arrangement.

Theres plenty of mods done to race cars that were allowed at the time but not available on road cars.

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:09 AM

There are a few mods that would need to be specifically allowed or banned for each particular car, specialists would need to consult on this as one person wouldnt now everything about Holdens when they know more about Fords.

With the disc rotors would aftermarket replacements such as plain DBAs be acceptable?

What about HQ brakes on LHs same as L34s, or A9X rear end or T10s in LHs or L34 heads and distributors on LXs?

What about a panhard rod on an LH like the Wynns car with its arse in the air after it ran off the road, it passed scrutineering.

Or Harrys semi-dry sump arrangement.

Theres plenty of mods done to race cars that were allowed at the time but not available on road cars.

James

Yella..Ya just stuffed the class! The brakes is what I was on about first!.
Come on!! You cant find a banjo diff housing?? Then you want to modify the pickups? There is a class for that already..Go to Imprpoved Production.Sheet! there is 10 diff housings on Ebay alone!!.
HQ brakes are OK on LH No slotted /drilled discs..DBA replacement OK.(Its only a disc)
LH mods go on LH..LX parts go on LX..LX is in ND.
15 x8 is OK by me for the Fords.
Pan hards are out..Not factory fitted.
2 extra litre winged sump fixs Harrys mod.

Cars to run are Australian Production cars made from 1969 to 1979.. No short production things allowed. General run of mill GMH,Chrysler,Ford. Models to be listed but generally the ones that ran in that period.
Current tyre size is 50 aspect ratio I think for Fords.

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:20 AM

You might want to list all the cars that are allowed to enter.. ie Falcon XA,XB,XC sedan/Coupe,Torana LH, LX, UC (6) Sedan/hatch, etc.. no sports cars like say Datsun 240Z, Ferrari,porsch ??

What tyre profile... 60? or 50? I think 8x15 on fords ok..15x7 is a bit small, its a big car!! I run 15x8 on my thing and I have trouble getting grip..
XD Falcon started in 79 by the way...

Exactly
And a set of rules to govern each individual car

No UC's and no XD's
Cutoff is 12/1977

Who ever heard of a UC racecar ?

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:41 AM

No problem with XDs..big heavy..15 x 8 tyres..They will not dominate the field..but they are easy to get and run from an availablitiy point of view. We dont want Class ND to be what it was back then..Formula Torana...What we are after is the more the merrier. No UCs. BUT?..Do you allow 4 door LC/J because of the same reason? Availablilty? That allows A1 to come out and play too..and they are more plentiful..painted in race team colours of the era they would go unnoticed I would suggest.
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:45 AM

Who ever heard of a UC racecar ?

if is was out to 79... someone would race one...I was just trying to be nice. :rolleyes: there will be classes of course...
0-1600
1601-2000
2001-4000
4001-6000
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:46 AM

So whats your cutoff ?
XD for the fords and LX for the Toranas
HX for the big holdens
Imagine trying to pass an angry CM/L Valiant sedan in the twisties
Any VB commy ? or do we ban struts ?

So its a series for all aussie cars... not just the body styles that raced before .. sedans can play where they didn't play before

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:53 AM

No commodores..they have their own class. XD and LX. HX/Z some where there. Its aussie class Lets keep it that way.
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 01:21 PM

Shame none of the cars we actually own could compete
Mine and yours have non standard brakes , diffs

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 02:48 PM

Change my diff and rear brakes back..L34 heads..I am back in.
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 11:06 PM

Why no Commodores ?

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 11:37 PM

No commodores..they have their own class.

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Which way do you want me to say it?
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 10:53 AM

What do you mean by that ?
Commodore Cup is nothing like the rules you are talking about. Neither are the Commodores that run in Saloons, V8 Supercars or any other series.
If I want to build a replica of Brocks Bathurst winning 1982 Commodore, you're saying I can't, yet an XD is ok because they won't dominate the class ?????

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 11:25 AM

Mick what I am saying is the Commodore stepped to the next level in my opinion..Euro style car..suspension etc..The class I am proposing is based on Australian designed family cars raced of the period 1969 to 1979. As Datto says there has to be a cut off point some where.If you want we can make it the 30 year thing so anything up to 1978 counts...bearing in mind if it happened it would start seaon 2008. The Commodore also started in racing really in 1980.
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 12:16 PM

Does that mean mockups can race?

Say if i was to get a 2 door S and mock it up as an XU-1 and run all the XU-1 bits would that be ok?

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 01:01 PM

Correct..Thats the whole idea...
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:24 PM

rorym i really like were ur going with this if it happened it would be a good cheap class
keep up the good work.

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:29 PM

OK, I accept what you're saying , but you can't really have XD's without letting the Commodores in, and without the XDs you make it harder for the Ford boys to find a car without rust LOL

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 05:44 PM

OK..So we cutoff at XC..
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Posted 04 March 2007 - 06:55 PM

I need to add..The idea here is a CHEAP form of motorsport for all to get a car and have a go...Too many times regs/rules have been changed to add power/handling etc..Thats not what we want..we want to have fun running around with eachother and not spending shit loads of money..I would love to see this like the Muscle Car Masters where most cars are driven to the track..registered.. I am lead to believe that there are 5 more LH style replica race cars being bulit in Qld alone. Maybe I can start something..In Qld anyway..HRCCQ are always keen to hear ideas which make people bring out their cars and participate..Thats why hillclimbs and sprints are over subscribed at the moment, its all to hard to go out and get the shit kicked out of you in something like the Biante.They have an attitude anyway which isnt required in this category. I will sit down over the next couple of weeks and write up some supp regs..with models and allowances for each .. Then we will have another look at it.
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Edited by rorym, 04 March 2007 - 06:56 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2007 - 07:04 PM

What category within the cams manual specifications would you like this class to come under? Historic 5th category Start in 2008 a very difficult thing to achieve in a very short time.

Maybe that where you need to start before we get too far advanced with the nitty gritty of the eligibility/ vehicle specifications.

If you were to try and get a category oof the ground that was up to 78 for some cars and 1980 for others it wouldnt get past the first base with any of the rules comittees.

If you wanted to make it a series prod class fine but are you talking of only limiting it to Holden and Ford. Remember that there were a lot of other brands of cars that ran in the period as production cars.

Datto240zs, Porsches and Lotus of any type wouldn't be eligible as they weren't touring cars but sports cars.

What about Mazda RX7? Touring car yes raced in the period yes should be eligible
or is this a ford V holden category only?

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 07:40 PM

Australian built cars
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