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[Bazza]

Thanks gmhgtr that helps a lot.

Those scans confirm what I believe to be true. ie. that the all black cap (P/N 2816161) was around long before the Viv Antoniou book suggests. The P/N in question didn't appear in the catalogue that preceded the LC XU-1.

Here's my take on the matter - LC and LJ XU-1s probably left the factory with a plain black cap but (for reasons outlined by a number of people that worked in dealerships in the early '70s) , the cars may not have left the dealership with the same plain black cap.

It goes without saying of course that there will be some people who will still remain unconvinced.

Bazza

[frash da bucket]

G'day bazza,the fuel cap inserts are fitted on the lc and lj toranas,the inserts were a very tight fit,when fitted to the petrol cap,you had to use a small screw driver to push the insert abit at a time or it would bend easly,the photos of the other 3 inserts are all wrong,i have a fuel cap in my hands and had it for 28years.The factory black cap,fitted on my mates lj,has been on it for 34years,and insert never was fitted from factory,cheers.

[Bazza]

G'day bazza,the fuel cap inserts are fitted on the lc and lj toranas,the inserts were a very tight fit,when fitted to the petrol cap,you had to use a small screw driver to push the insert abit at a time or it would bend easly,the photos of the other 3 inserts are all wrong,i have a fuel cap in my hands and had it for 28years.The factory black cap,fitted on my mates lj,has been on it for 34years,and insert never was fitted from factory,cheers.

Hi frash


A nice close-up or scan of a genuine, bona-fide, "real deal" cap with a lion insert would be great. There are heaps of "genuine" lion caps sold on eBay, but the pictures are always fuzzy and crappy.

Thanks

Bazza

[Bazza]

Thanks gmhgtr

I already have the book. I'm looking for a close-up pic or scan of an original.

Bazza

[Bazza]

Hi

Thanks to 'frash da bucket' John, I have included below a comparison between the available cap inserts. It looks like the current Rare Spares is a good copy but the lion seems to be overly muscular and its mane seem to be too detailed.

It would be easy to be trapped on eBay or at swap meets.

Bazza

[MustardGTR]

I have an original and the current rare's repro lion inserts infront of me and the one obvious difference is the diameter. The repro is just under 64mm dia. while the original is just over 65mm dia. Also the original is printed/ embosed on a 'Scotch No. 467' transfer media (Scotch logo is visible on the backing of the original). The reproduction is not marked (i.e no brand).
I will try and post an image shorly.
Might be something to ask if enquiring on ebay?

[Bazza]

Thanks MustardGTR

That info is good to know. I can see in the pictures that the original fits without a gap around the edge.

There was an insert on eBay recently - the seller couldn't guarantee that it was original but he did say that it had a Scotch 3M peel off on the back - I guess I should have bought it.

Bazza

[rodomo]

i think the rarespares stuff has to be smaller, as you cannot copy GMH's items, and if you do with permission you musn't sell them at a proffit, so they make it smaller and sell it for a profit.

That may explain why there are complaints about some Rare's products?
We should be grateful though that someone is doing what they can
Rather than nothing.

[goxu1]

not sure if this helps or hinders , but I've got 3 NOS "lion" inserts that I've had for about 20 years and they have a plain backing paper. The "3300" and "1760" are on scotch 467 paper.