I know of one , the owner is not a forum member but I'm trying to get him to bring it along to the drag day at heathcote.
How many A9X hatches had factory A/C?
and how many were black?
BLACK A9X HATCHBACK WITH FACTORY AIR CON
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 10:53 PM
Not factory air, dealer fitted air ?
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:02 PM
This is the arguement I've had with him many years ago. He tells me it is factory a/c , so is this not true? He is under the impression that 8 A9X's were factory a/c although he has been unable to confirm this anywhere.Not factory air, dealer fitted air ?
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So do I tell him its dealer fitted? how do you tell if its dealer fitted?
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:33 PM
Would factory A/C be marked on the id plate?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:02 AM
NO production A9X EVER came with factory air. The only one to leave thefactory with air was Wayne Negus' GMP&A spare race shell built into a road car at the factory. If you wanted air in an A9X, you had it dealer fitted. Factory air requires all the vacumn fittings, hoses, wiring etc to be fitted, it's totally different to dealer air, which was different from dealer to dealer. Most dealer air however required 2 holes to be cut in the firewall near the heater box for the hoses to go through.
Factory air is not marked on the compliance plate.
Factory air is not marked on the compliance plate.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 08:28 AM
Hi there,
I own an original SS torry, not an A9X, and it is fitted with factory air. I am just wondering how many SS's were fitted with factory air, and is there any way at all to tell/ prove it is factory air?
I own an original SS torry, not an A9X, and it is fitted with factory air. I am just wondering how many SS's were fitted with factory air, and is there any way at all to tell/ prove it is factory air?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 08:46 AM
Back in the early 80�s I had a HZ GTS, which I obtained a factory A/C from a wrecked Statesman and fitted it to my GTS, so he could have a factory unit from another torana in the A9X.
I did the same thing with my SL/R 5000 in the mid 70�s, it had a factory A/C unit in it and I completely removed it as I was a power freak back then, a mate then had it fitted to his torana.
There are all sorts of ways it can happen, but I doubt factory A9X fitted.
RED should know he eats torana parts books as part of his staple diet.
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I did the same thing with my SL/R 5000 in the mid 70�s, it had a factory A/C unit in it and I completely removed it as I was a power freak back then, a mate then had it fitted to his torana.
There are all sorts of ways it can happen, but I doubt factory A9X fitted.
RED should know he eats torana parts books as part of his staple diet.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:46 AM
The factory air had a different heater/A/C control panel, four fan speeds etc. Without looking in the engine bay, this was the only thing inside the car that gives away that it's factory air, oh and the pssssh noise of the vacuum controlled dampers, not cables.
Most of the dealer fitted air, ones I've seen anyways, are the cassette under the passenger side of the dash type.
Most of the dealer fitted air, ones I've seen anyways, are the cassette under the passenger side of the dash type.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:19 AM
the giveaway for a factory air car is four speed fan controls, vaculnm operated ducts, and the small welded bracket on the drivers side of the crossmember for the compressor.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:16 AM
There are enough clues above to whether the system was a fact install, but, we need to also consider the question:
"Is it possible that the GM aircon system designed for the torries was fitted before or after delivery by the dealer". If they ordered all the parts in, it would be possible, to do a seamless job. Dealer fitted generally means aftermarket system installed, but not necessarily. There could be tell tale signs that it had been done, but this would only be due to errors or carelessness in detail. The bit that is most overlooked is installing the aircon snorkel with the recirculation flap at the bottom(this difference can be seen from inside the cabin)
The fact air system on my uc was not fact fitted either, I know that for fact as the car started life as a S model Sunbird. The previous owner that fitted it as far as I can tell did a perfect job,(ive looked carefully at other fact installs too) apart from one omission I picked up recently: I was tracing some wiring for the purposes of a forum enquiry and came across an orange and yell cabled wire that was disconnected, it was for the original 2speed heater fan, wouldnt have been there if it was a fact install. (or would it?)
AFIK, there is nothing on the compliance plate to indictate fitting of air.
"Is it possible that the GM aircon system designed for the torries was fitted before or after delivery by the dealer". If they ordered all the parts in, it would be possible, to do a seamless job. Dealer fitted generally means aftermarket system installed, but not necessarily. There could be tell tale signs that it had been done, but this would only be due to errors or carelessness in detail. The bit that is most overlooked is installing the aircon snorkel with the recirculation flap at the bottom(this difference can be seen from inside the cabin)
The fact air system on my uc was not fact fitted either, I know that for fact as the car started life as a S model Sunbird. The previous owner that fitted it as far as I can tell did a perfect job,(ive looked carefully at other fact installs too) apart from one omission I picked up recently: I was tracing some wiring for the purposes of a forum enquiry and came across an orange and yell cabled wire that was disconnected, it was for the original 2speed heater fan, wouldnt have been there if it was a fact install. (or would it?)
AFIK, there is nothing on the compliance plate to indictate fitting of air.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:26 PM
OK I contacted the owner and this was his reply
"DEFINATELY factory fitted, it has all the factory heater/aircon box which is completely different to the standard unit, and the factory codes on the body plate indicating options fitted. If you look in the genuine GMH parts catalog you'll find the factory fitted aircon diagrams, and I know they exist because I had to chase one heater hose which is different also.
The dealer fitted ones were different units again. "
Now I don't claim to know either way(if its factory or not) but it would be interesting to find out , so how do we tell for sure? or is it possible that no-one truly knows?
Next time I talk to him I'll see if he knows the full history of his A9X from new.
Its a pity he doesn't have a computer to see this thread on so he could answer for himself, untill he does I'll keep relaying the posts to him to see if we can work out the truth
The other question was how many black A9X hatchbacks were built? does anyone know?
"DEFINATELY factory fitted, it has all the factory heater/aircon box which is completely different to the standard unit, and the factory codes on the body plate indicating options fitted. If you look in the genuine GMH parts catalog you'll find the factory fitted aircon diagrams, and I know they exist because I had to chase one heater hose which is different also.
The dealer fitted ones were different units again. "
Now I don't claim to know either way(if its factory or not) but it would be interesting to find out , so how do we tell for sure? or is it possible that no-one truly knows?
Next time I talk to him I'll see if he knows the full history of his A9X from new.
Its a pity he doesn't have a computer to see this thread on so he could answer for himself, untill he does I'll keep relaying the posts to him to see if we can work out the truth
The other question was how many black A9X hatchbacks were built? does anyone know?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:34 PM
Hey OrangeSS,
Did you buy that one from my mate in Toowoomba??
I spoke to him the other day and he told me he finally let it go.
I am interrested to know who got it.
M@
Did you buy that one from my mate in Toowoomba??
I spoke to him the other day and he told me he finally let it go.
I am interrested to know who got it.
M@
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:41 PM
Could you please tell me what this has got to do with this thread?Hey OrangeSS,
Did you buy that one from my mate in Toowoomba??
I spoke to him the other day and he told me he finally let it go.
I am interrested to know who got it.
M@
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:48 PM
It's called thread stealing, asking a question about someones answer.Could you please tell me what this has got to do with this thread?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:58 PM
Dealer fitted usually means subcontracted out to a local trades, not actually fitted by the dealer themselves for the more major fitments, i.e. not wind deflectors, bonnet protectors, etc which just require a screwdriver.
If he recons dealer fitted then so be it, his car. All the tell tale signs are up there. The LH manual is pretty comprehensive on the factory air install if you wanted to check. Being 30 years old it is also a possibility that it has been taken from another car and fitted. There are no A/C codes on the plates, so no definitive way of checking.
If he recons dealer fitted then so be it, his car. All the tell tale signs are up there. The LH manual is pretty comprehensive on the factory air install if you wanted to check. Being 30 years old it is also a possibility that it has been taken from another car and fitted. There are no A/C codes on the plates, so no definitive way of checking.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 01:14 PM
My guess is that it is genuine holden A/C but fitted at the dealership before delivery , now all I have to do is convince him to bring it down to Heathcote for everyone to take a look for themselves, it will probably result in more questions than answers
The other question is still unanswered,, how many black A9X hatchbacks??
The other question is still unanswered,, how many black A9X hatchbacks??
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:24 PM
"factory codes on the body plate indicating options fitted"OK I contacted the owner and this was his reply
"DEFINATELY factory fitted, it has all the factory heater/aircon box which is completely different to the standard unit, and the factory codes on the body plate indicating options fitted. If you look in the genuine GMH parts catalog you'll find the factory fitted aircon diagrams, and I know they exist because I had to chase one heater hose which is different also.
The dealer fitted ones were different units again. "
Now I don't claim to know either way(if its factory or not) but it would be interesting to find out , so how do we tell for sure? or is it possible that no-one truly knows?
Next time I talk to him I'll see if he knows the full history of his A9X from new.
Its a pity he doesn't have a computer to see this thread on so he could answer for himself, untill he does I'll keep relaying the posts to him to see if we can work out the truth
The other question was how many black A9X hatchbacks were built? does anyone know?
This line in itself proves that he needs to have a closer look. There is NOTHING on any plates indicating factory air. Factory air WAS NOT an option on A9X. ALL A9X's left the factory in the same specification (basically with SFA), I think I already said that only Wayne Negus' car got factory air, and it wasn't a production A9X
A9X had no factory options
no radio
no drop tanks
no air con
no sun roofs
No T10 gearbox
NO options.
If you wanted any of these things, the dealer would fit them for you. This guy may have the factory air unit in his car, but I can tell you, it wasn't fitted at the factory. It wouldn't be hard for me to prove it if I saw the car.
As for black cars, I will have to have a look, but I think it was something like 11 sedans and 5 hatches or something. I'll look when I get home.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:35 PM
No doubting of the "fact", that the a9x didnt get fact air, but how could you tell a fact install apart from a dealer install if they did it really well?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:54 PM
Tuxedo Black : A9X
6 Hatchbacks
11 Sedans
Red ,thought i would save you the bother...........
6 Hatchbacks
11 Sedans
Red ,thought i would save you the bother...........
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 03:14 PM
I knew I was close with the numbers.
How would I pick it? I'd be looking for a particular bracket that they wouldn't have fitted at the dealership.
How would I pick it? I'd be looking for a particular bracket that they wouldn't have fitted at the dealership.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:15 PM
Most people have dealer fitted options and because it was fitted at dealer or when new they say its factory fitted, hey its a GMH dealer, his the man in between the factory and me the buyer.
How many times have you heard this guys got an SLR 5000, and its just a torana with a spoiler, its the same thing people see 1 thing and call it another.
get some pics and then all will be revealed.
btw black hatch is a dead sexy combination.
How many times have you heard this guys got an SLR 5000, and its just a torana with a spoiler, its the same thing people see 1 thing and call it another.
get some pics and then all will be revealed.
btw black hatch is a dead sexy combination.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:06 PM
I guess if it is a 1977 model with factory air it should have Anti Sun Glass?
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 07:39 AM
Yes, the antisun glass is another thing that air should have, but my point is if the parts are ripped off a car(including any compressor brackets etc) that did have fact fitted air, how can you tell the difference. Who knows, the dealer could have ordered the a9x without the air and another v8 with air and swapped all the bits over for the sake of a customer who was going to pay whatever.
Another feature that can be easily distinguished from inside that is different for fact air, is the centre vent outlets. They are fully sealable, rotate through 360 deg on non air models, but are open design on ac models.
Another feature that can be easily distinguished from inside that is different for fact air, is the centre vent outlets. They are fully sealable, rotate through 360 deg on non air models, but are open design on ac models.
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 08:16 AM
Anti sun glass was just factory tint, which was an option across the range anyway. The dead givaway as the whether the air was factory or dealer fitted (if a factory air setup is used) is a small bracket on the crossmember for a V8 with air. I would almost bet my left nut the dealer wouldn't fit that, as it would require the engine to be removed and the bracket welded in, and it's really not needed anyway.
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