Since I'm now using my hatch for IPRA, I'm going to track down a good sedan shell and use that as the basis for my Replica, just have to try and figure out which one!
Edited by 350LH, 03 December 2008 - 09:05 AM.
Group C/A Replica Racing - There must be a way!
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:04 AM
Time to drag this old thread back up - so hows everyone going with their Replica's? I think its time for a status report.....
Since I'm now using my hatch for IPRA, I'm going to track down a good sedan shell and use that as the basis for my Replica, just have to try and figure out which one!
Since I'm now using my hatch for IPRA, I'm going to track down a good sedan shell and use that as the basis for my Replica, just have to try and figure out which one!
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 09:34 AM
well we know Rory's is finished
MRNOS is nearly there
Hopefully mid Jan my 25 Patterson hatch will be completed
MRNOS is nearly there
Hopefully mid Jan my 25 Patterson hatch will be completed
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 11:48 AM
thanks rod, now that the moffat hatch is finished it will be full steam ahead..., now the other 6 cars that is a different question.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:25 PM
Hahahahaha, ya doing well mate, keep up the good work !
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 05:21 PM
HERE WE GO!!
I think the idea of replica Group C is fine for what you are currently doing, but if you want to go racing historics I reckon you should go to hell. These cars are not historic and should not be treated as such. The vast majority of historic cars have to work bloody hard to prove their provedence in order to get a Certificate of Description and you guys feel hard done because you can't race your old family sedan. Excuse me if I don't shed a tear.
The only reason for the Appendix J categories was because there were bloody few original cars left, yet now we are seeing full Grids of Group C cars. At Phillip Island this year they split the car up into two grids, one being the lower capacity cars and the other being the higher capacity cars. Next year the Group P,Q, R cars are not even getting a run as the program is full. These cars are the real big bangers and they have history. They include F5000's, Formula 1's, Formula Atlantics, Formula 2's etc. You can run your Group C replicas in all sorts of events, but if you own a Group PQR there is bloody all events available to run. For instance:
Heathcote Sprint - No group R, no Fomula Ford
Morwell - Q & R must run as Libre (has a FF class or any FF)
Rob Roy - Sports and racing are mixed in one class
Tarrengowa - No Q, R or FF
Given the addition of Sports Sedans and Group T into historics, programs are only going to get tighter, so please tell me why genuine race cars with a real history of racing should make way for a bunch of family sedans with no history at all?
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Not actually CAMS...well could be...but the Group C guys are Oh! so protective of running their elite..genuine status ...
I bet if you owned a real Group C you would be protective too. Why would you want your car devalued by having a host of replicas made? Would you really want to race your genuine Group C against a host of Group C wannabees? They won't even race against the Appendix J cars after some of the incidents which have occured in the past.
If you really want to go racing a Group C, go and buy one. The Appendix J cars are not that much cheaper to buy/build than a Group C anyway. V8 Nc cars are going for $80 to $130k and Toranas are going for $40k. You could buy a genuine Group C Escort for the same amount as a Torana.
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This is the link for the regs we have done so far..
http://d4.myfreefile...Regulations.pdf
Looks more Biante than CAMS to me. Bigger wheels, bigger discs, different gear boxes etc.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 06:09 PM
Still trying to work out the comment.....?..If it's the bottom one...we know..but it moves towards reliable racing...I am not going onto a track with an M21 and a banjo diff....but if you want to...be my guest.
If the comment is all the body...you shot yourself to shit with the first line..the rest is dribble.
"I think the idea of replica Group C is fine for what you are currently doing"
Re-read the thread...that's exactly what we are proposing.....not racing with historics.
"Why would you want your car devalued by having a host of replicas made?"
Too late baby...its already done..go for a drive to the Masters at Eastern Creek...and there are more and more on the way.
R
If the comment is all the body...you shot yourself to shit with the first line..the rest is dribble.
"I think the idea of replica Group C is fine for what you are currently doing"
Re-read the thread...that's exactly what we are proposing.....not racing with historics.
"Why would you want your car devalued by having a host of replicas made?"
Too late baby...its already done..go for a drive to the Masters at Eastern Creek...and there are more and more on the way.
R
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 05:57 PM
I just spent a couple of minutes reading about a class of racing that has been up and running very successfully for years, they came to aussie two years ago and will back again in a few months, I think the class of racing you guys are looking for is CMC aka the Central Muscle cars of NZ Looks like group C but gearboxs diffs brakes etc modified to make it cheaper and better, engines allowed to be mildly increased in capicity and for reliablity Cars painted as you like but some as replicar of real race cars, can be seen at next Muscle car Masters at Eastern creek 
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:06 PM
That sounds interesting 
Must look out for those, I wasnt aware of that class.
I would personally like to run my own colour scheme than that of a past hero but that's a strictly individual choice. I have previously heard of some sponsors getting upset at people using their name without consent. I guess it comes about 'cos some people are prone to giving the sponsor a bad name. Not saying any forum member would do that though
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Must look out for those, I wasnt aware of that class.I would personally like to run my own colour scheme than that of a past hero but that's a strictly individual choice. I have previously heard of some sponsors getting upset at people using their name without consent. I guess it comes about 'cos some people are prone to giving the sponsor a bad name. Not saying any forum member would do that though
Cheers
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:30 PM
The above comments seem to be quite common on some of the forum's I've posted this idea on, I had no idea how angry it would make people!
Most of it seems to centre around a feeling that this idea will de value the original cars - to my mind, if the car is not claimed to be the original and is known as a replica, then how is that detracting from the original? Nobody is claiming these cars are in any way historic - other than the look.. If we run our own race within the sports sedans class how is that pushing any other categories off the card in a situation where you have oversubscribed fields? Sure it may look like Biante, but who has the cash for a franchise...?
Yes, I agree the CMC thing is pretty close to what we're talking about too...
Most of it seems to centre around a feeling that this idea will de value the original cars - to my mind, if the car is not claimed to be the original and is known as a replica, then how is that detracting from the original? Nobody is claiming these cars are in any way historic - other than the look.. If we run our own race within the sports sedans class how is that pushing any other categories off the card in a situation where you have oversubscribed fields? Sure it may look like Biante, but who has the cash for a franchise...?
Yes, I agree the CMC thing is pretty close to what we're talking about too...
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 07:44 PM
That sounds interesting
I would personally like to run my own colour scheme than that of a past hero but that's a strictly individual choice. I have previously heard of some sponsors getting upset at people using their name without consent. I guess it comes about 'cos some people are prone to giving the sponsor a bad name. Not saying any forum member would do that though
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^^ Agree with Sam/350LH..Herne, check the last couple of AMC mags...The Kiwis came here and kicked Biante butt..much to the chargrin of a certain WA racer. There are 2 classes run at the same time...one full on mods....the other not so many mods allowed..theme is old cars made reliable...It works a treat...and I guess we could say what we are trying to achieve is an Aussie version of same with Group C/A shaped cars from Australian manufacturers /racing of the time.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 07:45 PM
I just spent a couple of minutes reading about a class of racing that has been up and running very successfully for years, they came to aussie two years ago and will back again in a few months, I think the class of racing you guys are looking for is CMC aka the Central Muscle cars of NZ Looks like group C but gearboxs diffs brakes etc modified to make it cheaper and better, engines allowed to be mildly increased in capicity and for reliablity Cars painted as you like but some as replicar of real race cars, can be seen at next Muscle car Masters at Eastern creek
You are on the money cruiza...but way back we said no USA cars..just the local stuff.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 07:51 PM
Actuallt thinking about it a bit more..re- the real Vs replica thing...I can see it now..
I paid $350,000 for my original geniune XYSTRXU1!
I built mine for $30,000.....
and you know the difference?
99.9999999999999999% of the general public that come to see them wont know or cant tell the difference between them.....This one fact I have proven with both the Yellow car and the current HDT car..
infact...they want to believe the car they are looking at is the real deal...hardest part is getting the commentators to stop saying it is the real one! NOS, AGGRO,GML-31 and EVILUC will confirm!!
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I paid $350,000 for my original geniune XYSTRXU1!
I built mine for $30,000.....
and you know the difference?
99.9999999999999999% of the general public that come to see them wont know or cant tell the difference between them.....This one fact I have proven with both the Yellow car and the current HDT car..
infact...they want to believe the car they are looking at is the real deal...hardest part is getting the commentators to stop saying it is the real one! NOS, AGGRO,GML-31 and EVILUC will confirm!!
R
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:10 PM
Just build cars that dont exist anymore, then what can they say, I think they are pissed that we are going to have a complete set of the stuff they are still racing. And like you say, we dont want to race in gruop c/a, we want our own little group, wre the cost is a quarter.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:59 PM
^^ Agree with Sam/350LH..Herne, check the last couple of AMC mags...The Kiwis came here and kicked Biante butt..much to the chargrin of a certain WA racer. There are 2 classes run at the same time...one full on mods....the other not so many mods allowed..theme is old cars made reliable...It works a treat...and I guess we could say what we are trying to achieve is an Aussie version of same with Group C/A shaped cars from Australian manufacturers /racing of the time.
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Isn't the fix an easy one?? Allow the real cars to race the same colour scheme as what was raced in the day.
Allow the modded (improved) car any approved colour scheme EXCEPT those replicating or even close to the original, this way no one is fooled. Cams would have the final say whether to approve or disallow a scheme esp one that could be roughly interpreted as being too similar. No approval and you take your car home and repaint it.
Cheers
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:35 PM
oooooh it's gettin' close now....
painter masked up for the stripes on the weekend!
Musclecar masters "09 here we come.
Hey Rod... how do you go about getting a run in the replica clas at the masters??
Cheeers Greg..
painter masked up for the stripes on the weekend!
Musclecar masters "09 here we come.
Hey Rod... how do you go about getting a run in the replica clas at the masters??
Cheeers Greg..
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:36 PM
Where is the fun in that Al?
Cars like Rocket's hatch are fantastic. The real car was destroyed in a big accident and we cant get the chance to ever see that car again in its kleber paint scheme. Replicating it allows people to check out how the cars looked back in the day and the spirit and simplicity of the cars back then. And it also allows people to relive races and bring back memories of when they saw the car race. And it also allows us plebs to own a replica of a piece of australian touring car history. We aren't pretending to say these cars have any historic significance or are the real deal, so we aren't hurting anyone by doing so. The Group C/A guys are lucky bastards for owning what they do (im sure they worked their asses off to be in that position though) but they just have their noses out of joint because we are doing the same thing for alot less $$ and replacement parts are cheaper and easier
Cars like Rocket's hatch are fantastic. The real car was destroyed in a big accident and we cant get the chance to ever see that car again in its kleber paint scheme. Replicating it allows people to check out how the cars looked back in the day and the spirit and simplicity of the cars back then. And it also allows people to relive races and bring back memories of when they saw the car race. And it also allows us plebs to own a replica of a piece of australian touring car history. We aren't pretending to say these cars have any historic significance or are the real deal, so we aren't hurting anyone by doing so. The Group C/A guys are lucky bastards for owning what they do (im sure they worked their asses off to be in that position though) but they just have their noses out of joint because we are doing the same thing for alot less $$ and replacement parts are cheaper and easier
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:42 PM
Herne That works for me as my car is Annas car in a different colour scheme..but what if someone wants to do the Patterson Brock/Brock 4 door that still exists?..We are limiting the cars schemes with that idea I think...personally?..free for all...any colour scheme counts. Cant see CAMS giving a toss actually...we arrive..pay our fees..more money for them...they wont give a rats I would think.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:44 PM
oooooh it's gettin' close now....
painter masked up for the stripes on the weekend!
Musclecar masters "09 here we come.
Hey Rod... how do you go about getting a run in the replica clas at the masters??
Cheeers Greg..
Youre putting race stripes on the Honda?...or is this the Walky?..You been quiet about this for ages White boy! Spill the beans!!
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:51 PM
Where is the fun in that Al?
Cars like Rocket's hatch are fantastic. The real car was destroyed in a big accident and we cant get the chance to ever see that car again in its kleber paint scheme. Replicating it allows people to check out how the cars looked back in the day and the spirit and simplicity of the cars back then. And it also allows people to relive races and bring back memories of when they saw the car race. And it also allows us plebs to own a replica of a piece of australian touring car history. We aren't pretending to say these cars have any historic significance or are the real deal, so we aren't hurting anyone by doing so. The Group C/A guys are lucky bastards for owning what they do (im sure they worked their asses off to be in that position though) but they just have their noses out of joint because we are doing the same thing for alot less $$ and replacement parts are cheaper and easier
I thought the fun was in racing full stop
I guess I am not a fan of replicas being raced and the public being confused into thinking this is the real deal whether by chance or by design. I see where you are coming from and I appreciate that, I am just coming from a very different angle when it comes to racing.Cheers
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:53 PM
Herne That works for me as my car is Annas car in a different colour scheme..but what if someone wants to do the Patterson Brock/Brock 4 door that still exists?..We are limiting the cars schemes with that idea I think...personally?..free for all...any colour scheme counts. Cant see CAMS giving a toss actually...we arrive..pay our fees..more money for them...they wont give a rats I would think.
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I say let them do it, but not race it in those colours
Edit: comment re CAMS removed, I cant afford to be fined by them now I am licensed lol
Cheers
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Edited by Herne, 21 May 2009 - 09:55 PM.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:54 PM
yeah fair enough Al, thats your opinion and i respect that mate.
I vote a race between HDT no1 and Greg's walky
I vote a race between HDT no1 and Greg's walky
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:57 PM
yeah fair enough Al, thats your opinion and i respect that mate.
I vote a race between HDT no1 and Greg's walky
Cheers mate.
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