Rear Wheel Horse Power
#1 _Keithy's_UC_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:24 AM
If you remember back to the good old days of GMH-Torana, you will remember a post made by me regarding everyone's estimates of the HP at the rear wheels in my UC!
The triple SU's are only weeks away from being fitted (damn working away from home crap)!! I'll have them dyno tuned at the same time.
It's run a 14.852 down the 1/4, with a 350Holley and 3.08:1 diff ratio. I cannot predict what she'll do with the SU's, but i'm hoping to at least equal that!
NOW, what's everyone's guess as to the overall RWHP output of the old girl? If you want engine specs, check it out in Members Ride's. Keep in mind i now have thermo fans as well!
My guess (although it may seem high) is 171RWHP. What do you rekon it will get?
Keith
#2
Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:35 AM
#3 _[BOTTLEDUP]_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 10:50 AM
#4
Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:24 PM
#5 _Keithy's_UC_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:55 PM
I will keep you posted!
#6 _LC2250_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:56 PM
-Al
#7 _TORANR AMORE_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:13 PM
Edited by TORANR AMORE, 09 March 2006 - 02:14 PM.
#8 _Yella SLuR_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 02:32 PM
#9
Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:45 PM
I just read through your Members Projects thread, it's a great read! Well done on the 14.8 1/4 mile time as well, that's an excellent time, esp for a single carb! Just wait till the triples go on (assuming they are setup and tuned just right, your time should definitely improve)...If it's anything like my old triple-Su powered 202, you may start having traction issues though getting it off the line....
Anyway, as for a quesstimate on what I think it will make on a chassis dyno with the triple SU's: I reckon 134 Hp @ the wheels (100kw). This is based on my old six banger as I can see a lot of similarities in the combo... I had a few more cubes than you though, but would also have lost a few Hp through the 9", so I reckon that figure should be close at the end of the day.
Looking forward to hearing how you go!
Cheers.
#10
Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:48 PM
#11
Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:08 PM
#12 _Aquarius - LC_
Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:39 PM
I have similar spec 202
Allowing for differences in dyno's, i'm gunna say
around 140rwhp [that'd be a good result] me think's.
Looking forward to update.
#13 _Keithy's_UC_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:37 AM
As mentioned above, ill keep you posted on when it's happenin (hopefully when i fly home from work in 2 weeks)...
Keith
#14 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:08 AM
My guess is youll get another 5hp for your triples and about 2hp effective for your fan(more for both at max rpm on the dyno) total 7hp....which would bring the qt time to "about"......lock me in with 14.65sec.
#15 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:34 AM
#16 _UCV80_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:39 AM
cant wait to see your results
,nathan
#17
Posted 10 March 2006 - 02:45 PM
#18 _Yella SLuR_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 03:39 PM
#19 _WYLDLC 6_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:14 PM
cheers Chris.
#20 _WYLDLC 6_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:28 PM
Chris.
#21 _devilsadvocate_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:33 PM
#22
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:33 PM
#23 _draglc_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:35 PM
According to http://www.bikez.com/conv/power.php
150 hp equals 111.86 kW.
A1
#24 _WYLDLC 6_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:40 PM
And you have also helped me to know what sort of times my LC might be capable of.
Cheers Chris.
#25 _TORANR AMORE_
Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:05 PM
....I've got better things to do than play on my computer all day mate...
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAH Ha ah ha ha ha ah ha, errr ha ha, he ha errr, you crack me up mate.
A HP calculator:
http://www.speedworl...ex.com/calc.htm
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About the calculator:
The algorithm they use is a very simple one that uses some constants that they must've derived by plotting some known data, extrapolating and then developing a generalised equation, I dunno, I guessing.
The thing is, does the weight include the weight of the driver (say an extra 100Kgs)?, they don't say, but they do assume 18% drivetrain loss.
The result Starts with RWHP and then multiplies it by 1.18 to get Flywheel HP
1150Kg car (?pretty light?) + 100Kg = 1250Kg = 2,755lbs
Enter this with an ET of 14.852
and you get 166RWHP and 196BHP at the Flywheel according to them
The calculator is fine, but I would ignore their calculation for the Flywheel HP
The problem I found with the calculators is how they factor in the drivetrain loss. The add 18% of the RWHP to calculate Flywheel HP. BUT that is not the drivetrain loss as a loss should be calculated as a percentage based on the power source.
In other words, it should NOT be RWHP x (1+loss) = FWHP, It should be RWHP/(1-loss) = FWHP
From this, using their logic, to get 121.8RWHP from 196Flywheel HP you would have to use a factor of 61% as 121.8 x 1.61 = 196.
It should be 121.8RWHP/(1-0.378) = 196BHP, which uses 38% drivetrain loss
So Their "18% drivetrain loss" is actually 15% drivetrain loss
I wouldn't use 30%, it sounds too high and automatic specialists never agree with it and I've never seen evidence yet to prove it. 18 to 20% can justify the losses throughout the system including the auto and diff etc.
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enough about the calculator,
If we do it again properly with 2,755lbs and an ET of 14.852 with 18% drivetrain loss we get:
166RWHP and 202BHP at the Flywheel
Can a 186 make 200BHP at the flywheel? I don't know, maybe if its worked off it's head, I'll guess that he gets 150RWHP or slightly higher, when he Dyno's it
By the way 1HP = 0.75KW
Peace.
Edited by TORANR AMORE, 10 March 2006 - 05:07 PM.
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