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TOP 10 AUSSIE MUSCLE CARS

Started by lxsstorana , Jul 16 2009 01:35 PM

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Poll: Top 10 (45 member(s) have cast votes)

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2008 FPV F6 (4 votes [3.12%])
Percentage of vote: 3.12%
1977 Holden Torana A9X (33 votes [25.78%])
Percentage of vote: 25.78%
1985 HDT VK SS Group A (11 votes [8.59%])
Percentage of vote: 8.59%
1971 XY Falcon GT HO (16 votes [12.50%])
Percentage of vote: 12.50%
1967 XR Falcon GT (4 votes [3.12%])
Percentage of vote: 3.12%
1988 HSV VL Group A (5 votes [3.91%])
Percentage of vote: 3.91%
1969 Holden HT Monaro 350 (15 votes [11.72%])
Percentage of vote: 11.72%
1972 Holden Torana GTR XU-1 (23 votes [17.97%])
Percentage of vote: 17.97%
2008 HSV W427 (3 votes [2.34%])
Percentage of vote: 2.34%
1972 VH Charger E49. (14 votes [10.94%])
Percentage of vote: 10.94%

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#1 lxsstorana

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:35 PM

Just received a free copy of the latest Motor Magazine, August 2009 edition.

I don't usually read it but it has an interesting article that I though I'd share. They have rated the top 10 Aussie Muscle Cars.

Six Holdens made the top 10 which is a pretty good result but did they get the top 10 right?

Anyway, here's the list.

Mick.

1. 2008 FPV F6

2. 1977 Holden Torana A9X

3. 1985 HDT VK SS Group A

4. 1971 XY Falcon GT HO

5. 1967 XR Falcon GT

6. 1988 HSV VL Group A

7. 1969 Holden HT Monaro 350

8. 1972 Holden Torana GTR XU-1

9. 2008 HSV W427

10. 1972 VH Charger E49.

Edited by dattoman, 16 July 2009 - 08:31 PM.
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#2 LC69GTR

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:38 PM

Turn it into a poll this will be a good poll

1. 2008 FPV F6

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:42 PM

2008 FPV F6 ???? YEAH RIGHT!!!

That is not a muscle car! Its not even a V8!!!

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#4 _UDLOSE_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:45 PM

FPV your kidding! As much as I love VKs (shit I own one) how the hell does a VK out rank a GTHO or a charger. What a crock..

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:52 PM

I know rating cars can be a controversial issue.

They didn't say how they rated the various cars but give a little story on each car.

Don't agree with the FPV F6 but they justify it because "it runs the greatest ever Australian engine, full stop"

So they are saying this car got in because engine/performance, not based on racing pedigree, not on looks.

I think the other 9 cars deserve to be there but I would re-shuffle the order to my liking.

Edited by lxsstorana, 16 July 2009 - 01:54 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:55 PM

^^ Yeah, i agree... The Charger should be a lot higher! ^^

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:57 PM

the charger should be 1
FPV stand f*cking Piece of reVolting shit

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:01 PM

^^^^^ Now you're talking ^^^^^

and having had a few minutes to think about the list, I would remove the FPV and the XR GT (if I had a say in it),

the add the L34 and the HK 327 Monaro.

Edited by lxsstorana, 16 July 2009 - 02:02 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:05 PM

if that shit box is number one.what about vl calais turbo

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:07 PM

2008 FPV F6 ???? YEAH RIGHT!!!

That is not a muscle car! Its not even a V8!!!

That is what's known in the industry as 'paid advertising'

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:09 PM

^^ I think your onto something ^^

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:12 PM

And you know the scary thing about this article is that some people will actually believe it. :blink:

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#14 _mumstaxi_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:18 PM

2008 FPV F6 ???? YEAH RIGHT!!!

That is not a muscle car! Its not even a V8!!!

So can't a 6cyl ever be classed as muscle, even if it has more grunt and goes faster than the 8cyl ? :blink:

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:36 PM

So can't a 6cyl ever be classed as muscle, even if it has more grunt and goes faster than the 8cyl ?

MT

Correct! LOL :tease:

Muscle cars don't have turbo's from factory.... Well not in my book anyway!

Edited by MRLXSS, 16 July 2009 - 02:37 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:37 PM

8. 1972 Holden Torana GTR XU-1
10. 1972 VH Charger E49.

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#17 _CraigA_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:45 PM

The F6 would be faster than most (if not all of them) in a straight line, stop better, and handle better. Possibly the 2008 HSV W427 could shade it, but in my experience the rest wouldn't get close to it.

Is it a muscle car? Maybe not right now, but in 20 years from now I think it will definitely be considered one. Fantastic car and we should be happy that an Aussie manufacturer, even if it is Fraud, will still build a car like this in 2009 with all the doomsday tree hugging global warming naysayers chopping at them.

What do I think is the best car on the list - the E49 for sure. Triple Webbers on a car you could buy from a dealer. Now that's cool, but its an emotional choice and not one based on performance capabilities although those things go like stink until you get to a corner. When you quickly find out why they chose the F6!!

Edited by CraigA, 16 July 2009 - 02:47 PM.

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#18 _Dirty Deeds_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:48 PM

^^^^^ Now you're talking ^^^^^

and having had a few minutes to think about the list, I would remove the FPV and the XR GT (if I had a say in it),

the add the L34 and the HK 327 Monaro.

I couldn't agree more. The L34 and HK 327 must surely rate a mention

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#19 _mumstaxi_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:48 PM

Correct! LOL

Muscle cars don't have turbo's from factory.... Well not in my book anyway!

So now 6 clyinders and Turbo cars can't be muscle cars ? so does that mean my rice burning nissan engine is out then .......... :cry:

So what would be the definition of a "Muscle Car" then if nothing to do with Power ?

MT

Edited by mumstaxi, 16 July 2009 - 02:50 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:56 PM

Going of Wikipedia... I would say these are what the Top 10 list should come from!

Chrysler

VH model

* 1971-1972 Charger R/T E37 (101 built)
* 1971-1972 Charger R/T E38 - 280 bhp (210 kW) - 3 Speed Gearbox (Track pack and Big tank were options and a fully blueprinted engine) (316 built)
* 1972-1973 Charger R/T E48 (2 built)
* 1972-1973 Charger R/T E49 - 302 bhp (225 kW) - 4 Speed Gearbox (Track pack and Big tank were options and a fully blueprinted engine) (149 built)
* 1972-1973 Charger S/E E55 - 275 bhp (205 kW) - 727 Torqueflite Auto (340 cubic inch Chrysler LA engine) (124 built)
* 1969-1971 Valiant Hardtop (318 or 360ci V8s)

VJ model (R/T nomenclature dropped) were:

* 1973-1974 Charger E48 (169 built)
* 1973 Charger E49 (4 built)
* 1973-1974 Charger 770 E55 (212 built)

Ford

* 1967 XR Falcon GT (289)
* 1968 XT Falcon GT (302)
* 1969�1970 XW Falcon GT (351)
* 1969�1970 XW Falcon/Fairmont GS 302 and 351
* 1969 XW Falcon GTHO Phase I (351W)
* 1970 XW Falcon GTHO Phase II (351C)
* 1970-1971 XY Falcon/Fairmont GS 302 and 351
* 1970-1971 XY Falcon GT (351)
* 1971 XY Falcon Phase III GTHO (351)
* 1972 XA Falcon Phase IV GTHO 4 door (only four made: three prototypes, one production) (351)
* 1972�1973 XA Falcon GT hardtop coupe/4 Door Sedan (351)
* 1972�1973 XA Falcon GS Hardtop/Sedan/Ute (302, 351)
* 1973 XA Falcon Superbird (302)
* 1973�1976 XB Falcon GT hardtop coupe/4 Door Sedan (351)
* 1973�1976 XB Falcon/Fairmont GS Hardtop/Sedan/Ute (302, 351)
* 1974�1975 XB Falcon John Goss Special (302)
* 1978 XC Falcon Cobra 5.8, Bathurst Homologation

Holden

* 1968�1969 HK Monaro GTS (327)
* 1969�1970 HT Monaro GTS (350)
* 1970�1971 HG Monaro GTS (350)
* 1971�1974 HQ Monaro GTS (350)
* 1974�1976 HJ Monaro GTS (308)

* 1970�1971 LC Torana GTR XU-1 (186)
* 1972�1973 LJ Torana GTR XU-1 (202)
* 1974�1976 LH Torana SL/R 5000 (308)
* 1974 LH Torana SL/R 5000 L34 (308)
* 1976�1978 LX Torana SL/R 5000 (308)
* 1976�1978 LX Torana SS (308)
* 1977 LX Torana SL/R 5000 A9X (308)
* 1977 LX Torana SS A9X (308)

Oh, Older 6cyls are ok, they are N/A... Actually, more i think of it.... A Muscle car should have a Carby...

MT, I'm talking factory muscle cars.... If your car came like it is, from the factory... Then I wouldn't class it as a Muscle Car.... Just like a VL Turbo isnt a Muscle car

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 02:57 PM

Just remember the term "muscle cars" means different things to different people (and different countries).

Most people identify it with 1960's and 1970's, V8 motors and racing heritage but it really depends on the individual.

So lets just respect other peoples opinions, you don't have to agree with it or like it.

Don't want to see this thread closed early, some good discussion and opinions is healthy.

Mick.

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#22 _mumstaxi_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:24 PM

Mick, thanks for concern bud..... i do know he was stirring the pot, it was made clear with the :tease:

that got used.

Just to confirm i "was" having a laugh back, taking p1ss outa myself ..." rice burning nissan" :cry:

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sorry thought that was clear (obviously not) :Buddy:

anyway moving on.....

This was a "real" question tho (everyone can answer)

So what would be the definition of a "Muscle Car" then if nothing to do with Power ?

so in other words ignoring the engine HP alltogether, what makes a car a mucle car or not ?

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:27 PM

HAHA! Yeah i was stirring the pot! :tease:

I still luv ya Mum(staxi) :spoton:

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#24 _sstorana_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:30 PM

I agree with what Mick is saying, and while I think that a top ten list is a novel approach, I don't believe that the "top ten" should be rated 1 - 10.

All of those cars, and the models that MRLXSS pointed out, do have their own relevance in our "Muscle Car" history.

I also believe that to include any model from this decade, is a little premature and only time will tell if the likes of the W427 and the F6, are indeed muscle cars.

cheers
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#25 _mumstaxi_

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:05 PM

So are you saying a muscle car needs to be at least 10 years old, or that it is more about what the car gets used for over 10 years (racing etc) that qualifies it as Muscle, rather than just the car itself ?

I would have thought you could still have brand new muscle cars today, im sure a SLR or a A9X etc as a brand new car would still have been called muscle when brand new, so why can't new cars of present day be called a muscle car if used in racing etc ?