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[meanmachine72]

Could not agree more OuterControl, A rebodied car is little more than a replica, not that there is anything wrong with replicas per se. We have all heard about historically significant cars,

well said...24c been rebodied twice..its just a replica now

[enderwigginau]

well said...24c been rebodied twice..its just a replica now

I knew that one would pop its head up in the comments Johnno.... here we go again !

It's the haves and the have-nots again Adam.

And anyone who doesn't understand the difference between a racecar being reshelled and a road car passed off as "original" shouldn't get into the argument.
Go home, keep drinking, and keep your mouth shut.

The owner of this car knows it is not the original shell, has stated such, and appears to know the history of the car.
If you know more, contact him. If not, why spout off with rumour and innuendo.........

Grant..

[meanmachine72]

iam glad i dont own it (24c) reshelled twice makes it a replica now... and its not the haves and have not grant..i know what i have
just stating the hard facts 24c is a collection of date stamped components all tucked into a 1973 shell
may explain why it has a 73 date coded steering rack!!!

[lxsstorana]

Race cars and road cars are completely different creatures.

An original road car needs to be just that - original.

A race car on the other hand, may look the same as when it was first raced but may have been built many times using various parts.

It all comes down to what you want and what you are prepared to pay.

I wouldn't buy a reshelled L34 (as a road car) but I'd be happy to buy an original L34 or a replica.

Talk to unclefesta if you want to know about L34's

[bullitA9X]

iam glad i dont own it (24c) reshelled twice makes it a replica now... and its not the haves and have not grant..i know what i have
just stating the hard facts 24c is a collection of date stamped components all tucked into a 1973 shell
may explain why it has a 73 date coded steering rack!!!

ever heard the old saying "jealousy is a curse" and nice giving someones car sxit thats not here anymore to defend himself hey climb back under your rock!! daz has been coping this shit from wxnkers like you ever since he got the car because he did what nobody else did brought it!! and because it turned out to be something special the green monster comes out you can say whatever you like doesnt change the fact its still 24c weather its reshelled 20 times and while im at it what do you have??

Edited by bullitljv8, 10 December 2010 - 07:02 PM.

[REDA9X]

Hmm, reshelled race cars.
Ok, heres a question for you. Lets say Brock races a car. That car gets sold to another team and is written off and reshelled and raced.
Is this car still the Brock car? Or is it the car raced by the next team?
What about if a car is raced by Brock, sold to another team, continued to be raced, then later sold as a road car. Later it's converted back to a race car, is that a Brock car?
Or what if it was written off years after it finished racing and then reshelled, is that still a Brock car??

[GML-31]

^^^ my head hurts

[lxsstorana]

Geeze some tough questions there Red and I'll go first and try to answer some.

Firstly, let be clear that original road/street cars are completely different to race cars and its very difficult to compare the two let alone transfer from road car to race car and then back again to road car. I believe road cars are road cars and race cars are race cars. If you have a spare GHMPA shell then its just that a shell unless you add some parts and then it's not original.

Now thats out of the road.

Once Brocky sells his car is it a Brock car but if you crash it and rebuild it, it is no longer a Brock car. It is a car that team ???? built.

The transition from race car to road car is difficult to prove and establish. It will not have compliance plates (but should have cams log books) and in my opinion is still a race car. And by the way these cars are achieving higher prices than road cars, so why not just leave it as a race car.

A reshelled car is not the original car. A reshelled brock car would be fitted with brock accessories (IMHO) but is not the original car.

All these questions just come down to $$$$$ and everyone has their price.

Edited by lxsstorana, 10 December 2010 - 07:36 PM.

[REDA9X]

^^^ my head hurts

Agreed.
I fail to see how a car that is lets say built by HDT and raced by Brock, sold to another team, raced, smashed, reshelled, later updated to other models, can then be returned to the original spec and be called that car based purely on the log book. What part of the car is the original car?
I'm not targeting 28C so don't shoot me, I never bothered to follow up it's history, but there are cars out there claiming to be something that they really are not.
In the case of the L34 in question, at least if you did write off a road car and reshell it, you would be reusing everything , engine gearbox trim etc. Who is to say a race car has any of these original bits?

[enderwigginau]

ever heard the old saying "jealousy is a curse" and nice giving someones car sxit thats not here anymore to defend himself hey climb back under your rock!! daz has been coping this shit from wxnkers like you ever since he got the car because he did what nobody else did brought it!! and because it turned out to be something special the green monster comes out you can say whatever you like doesnt change the fact its still 24c weather its reshelled 20 times and while im at it what do you have??

Exactly - race cars are logbooked and the "race car" is history linked......


All these nay sayers must be mates of the person who had been telling people he had it before it really turned up......

As for a road car - if it's legally done then it is still the car. �The different shell might change the price, but it's still the car as every other part is the same bar the one "spare part". �It'd be like saying some certain members cars aren't L34's due to replaced bumpers or guards or rust repairs.......I think some don't understand how spare parts worked back in the day.

Grant..

[unclefestal34s]

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Hi Guys,
I am looking at the possibility of purchasing an L34 in Qld. I believe it is the Bob Jane vehicle that had a body shell replacement very early in its life.
Could someone please confirm the No's are correct &amp; any additional information on the car would be appreciated.
Engine No. HZ18330
Vehicl ID. 7803251
Appreciate your help
Thanks.

</p><p>this is the first question that started this thread off..the guys name is Garry and I'm sure he is still looking and from what I've worked out will be looking for another 25 years as so far he has contacted me on 3 different occasions on 3 different cars in the past 18 months...he writes ''appreciate your help'' well i would appreciate the courtesy of you not wasting people's time and pumping there tyres up or pretending to make arrangements without any intentions of buying..by the way all 3 cars got sold to genuine buyers..

</p><p>the car in question is a road car that nearly slipped through the system if wasn't for alert buyer who sent the car back to amc after finding it was a re-shelled car..the car was originally being sold as a genuine car at the time..from that time and period the car has been advertised as a re-shelled car...again no big deal today it is what is and you all have your opinions..
if guys want to make comparisons compare apples with apples..not not oranges with watermelons..race-cars a just that with some teams budgets that big it would scare us..back in the 60s 70s it was normal practice for race teams to total a car and then go out and grab a base model and fit it up back to a race car specs...the important thing there was a log book and it was generally recorded hence its damn race-car and on some occasions racecars were turned back into road cars..

</p><p>my question here since a debate has been sparked is if you had the choice at the same price to buy a stock SLR5000 or this re-shelled L34...MY answer would this L34... growing up i watched nearly every SLR5000 get chopped up to look like a L34 or A9X cause they were the gun cars then that we aspired to cause we couldn't afford a original L34 so we built a car around it..
which leads me to my point the L34 WAS AND IS THE TOP OF TREE IN THAT MODEL its limited numbers made and with so little documented about it and still speculation about the numbers produced..I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE GMH DOCUMENT as to the numbers made all I've ever heard in the 30years I've been around them is 260 odd to 280..this why the 73 bathurst XU1s,l34 and A9X Hatchbacks are the top off tree in there respective models cause of there rarity...and that's why original examples will express that in good times with big sale prices..replicas will always be just that but in saying that I've seen some beautiful examples but when buying i look for that magical tin plate that tells you the car is one off few chosen ones and unfortunately that makes all the difference when they belong to that original car..repaired,rollover,chassis rails replaced,guards,bonnets,glass etc they form the parts that the original foundation was built upon..my opinion stands so long as the car has retained its original body-shell it is was it..and when the id tags get stolen or removed it still is what is but not with the same value..
the sad part about all of this is people often forget why they owned these cars purely for enjoyment,unfortunately not its got a lot to do with that dollar factor or investment each to there own....i owned my cars cause i grew up watching my cult heros Colin bond,Allan grice,allan moffat,peter Brock,bobby Morris,jim Richards,bob Jane,peter Jansen,charlie O'Brien just to name few drive the wheels of these cars and do them justice for what they were made for and i'm still trying emilate them..
enjoy what you got in this journey of life cause your only going to be handing it down to next generation...there only cars not shrines to worship.. 
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[unclefestal34s]

enjoy what you got in this journey of life cause your only going to be handing it down to next generation...

I couldn't agree more. People called us ( unclefestal34 and I ) CRAZY because we chose to race L34's. We weren't crazy, we were enjoying the car. That's the true investment. Its not always about what you put in, its what you get out.

well i guess we both are crazy these cars were never suppose to run mid 11 second quarter mile times were they...yes john i'm hearing you loud and clear..the investment is the enjoyment you get out of your toys and the happiness they bring to others with the same interests..