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Started by _Hamster_ , Feb 01 2011 03:07 PM

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#26 StephenSLR

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:05 PM

I've heard more stories about leaking slaves that push at stupid angles, pistons popping right out of slaves and master cylinder issues than I have heard of snapped cables

I've had the piston pop out on me too, once and the master cyl. overhauled a few years back.

I think my slave cyl. is leaking now (very slightly, few drops on garage floor) hence the questions, I'd upgrade if I had the smaller one.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:13 PM

Always keen to see a better hydaulic setups deveoped for the Toranas though as the Dellow ones are a compromise at best.

The problem has been around for so long you'd think someone would've come up with a better setup by now but I guess the Dellow one works so nobody has bothered.

Still not happy with the angle of the reservoir.

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The slave is more of a problem than the master and the hydraulic thrust bearing as mentioned earlier in the thread is a far superior setup - but, few can justify the extra expense.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 01:48 PM

Always keen to see a better hydaulic setups deveoped for the Toranas though as the Dellow ones are a compromise at best.

The problem has been around for so long you'd think someone would've come up with a better setup by now but I guess the Dellow one works so nobody has bothered.

Still not happy with the angle of the reservoir.

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The slave is more of a problem than the master and the hydraulic thrust bearing as mentioned earlier in the thread is a far superior setup - but, few can justify the extra expense.

I think if people felt one they would try to get over the expense... I am using the stock hydraulc throwout bearing setup on my LS1/T56 combo with a 3/4" clutch master (which is the same as the Camaro used the engine and trans are out of) and my pedal and feel is perfect. Just like you were sitting in the Camaro still basically and pressing down on it's clutch pedal.

My clutch master is a GM one and uses a remote reservoir as well..so can mount it how ever you like basically.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:10 PM

How about some pics fo that then ?

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:15 PM

Does anyone have part numbers and prices for hydraulic thrust setups that suit saginaws and Muncies?

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:22 PM

If you insist

Hmmm...just looking through all my pics, and don't seem to have one handy of how I did it under the dash, but will take one in the morning, no problem at all!

On the transmission side, I just used the factory line into the bellhousing (GM here used this oddball quick release setup on them) and crimped a normal AN fitting onto the hose (instead of the other oddball fitting which went into the plastic clutch master used on F body models) and went to the banjo fitting you can see in the picture.

The fluid reservoir I used is the factory 2000 Camaro one. I made the simple T mount for it out of some aluminum I had around and polished it up.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:23 PM

I think if people felt one they would try to get over the expense...

Quite possibly, I had a Tilton one with the HR style master cylinder and it was very nice

Does anyone have part numbers and prices for hydraulic thrust setups that suit saginaws and Muncies?

In a Tilton that would be 61-611 for the collar and 61-601 for the thrust bearing. See here for all the options:
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=hydraulic

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:00 PM

You cheated though Jeff having that small booster

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:08 PM

No one told me I couldn't cheat :badabing:

And think it would nearly clear the stock booster too...just don't remember if I tried?

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 04:50 PM

Looks like it ^^^^ is a good arrangement in the 'works' stakes but looks as bad as the CRS and Dellow setups from the 'appearance' viewoint.

I want one that goes under the dash so I don't have to look at it - I am going to start looking at the Tilton pedal setups I reckon - both brake and clutch.

I am taking the gearbox out for a rebuild as well so I might even lash on the hydraulic throwout bearing as well if I can find a suitable pull type, I think they are available from memory.
Would be hard for me to justify otherwise, my gearbox are engine are such a big job to remove just to do that.

I have never been overly happy with the slave cylinder on mine, does the job but doesn't look pretty - that is a high priority in this build - everything has to look right as well as go right.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:14 PM

What about Mal woods setup, or is the price an issue, cant remember the price but i think it did have a high cost to it.

Under dash master.

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Hydraulic throwout bearing.

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It comes with the reservoir and bracket, you have to fold it to the shape you want.

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All that you see through the firewall is the hose.

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Just a thought.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:18 PM

What about Mal woods setup

What's it like on the left leg?

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:31 PM

Dont know still building. :dontknow:

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:40 PM

Interresting setup.

On the clutch cable side of things,I can't help but thing that clutch cables of today are not equal to clutch cables of bygone days as with many things in the automotive world.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 02:23 AM

Looks like it ^^^^ is a good arrangement in the 'works' stakes but looks as bad as the CRS and Dellow setups from the 'appearance' viewoint.

I want one that goes under the dash so I don't have to look at it - I am going to start looking at the Tilton pedal setups I reckon - both brake and clutch.

I am taking the gearbox out for a rebuild as well so I might even lash on the hydraulic throwout bearing as well if I can find a suitable pull type, I think they are available from memory.
Would be hard for me to justify otherwise, my gearbox are engine are such a big job to remove just to do that.

I have never been overly happy with the slave cylinder on mine, does the job but doesn't look pretty - that is a high priority in this build - everything has to look right as well as go right.

Not sure if you already knew about them or not, but Speedwaymotors.com over here has a really nice selection of clutch stuff (masters, slaves, pedals,etc,etc.) I've delt with them a few times on stuff (only other place than Summit that I use) and been really happy with everything.

Actually got my dual pass Afco radiator from them as Summit didn't stock it.

And I can understand your want to have the stuff "look" right as well as the function. I was going for that with mine too, but I didn't mind the 'look' of certain items and did my build as such. That is why I hid somethings from the engine bay, but not everything...

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:37 PM

What does anyone have against hydraulic clutch systems? Brakes are hydraulic - they work very reliably. If there are problems with clutch cylinder leakage it's most likely due to some fool expecting it to work at an angle. When I have the money (have to sell a kidney first due to mortgage payments) I plan on doing a hydraulic conversion for my UC. I'm a sheetie, making brackets isn't a problem, and if I can't set up a reliable hydraulic clutch system then I deserve to get stuck on the side of the road for being an incompetent moron.

I'll be using an M20/202. Question for Dattoman: if that is indeed your site would the system I linked be OK for this, or would you recommend something different? Clutch will be sports type, but not super heavy.

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:42 PM

No thats not my site .. .it links to Mad Dats main page

Yes its similar to what I would use
They have displayed a Toyota clutch master with a Nissan slave
5/8 master 3/4 slave
Jap engineering...I rate it

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 09:46 PM

OK, thanks.

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#44 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:12 PM

Here are some under dash shots by the way of my setup....the angles in some of the pictures look funny just because of how I was holding the camera. It actually works nice and straight.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:07 PM

Your setup looks simular to the CRS (I think that is who made it) setup we have here, but it has the reservoir connected to the end of the engine bay section.

Not the best picture but you should be able to see it.

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#46 _LS1 Hatch_

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:23 PM

Yep...I had that setup on another Torana I had brought over actually (sold it ages ago) From memory it had some sort of adaptor thing between the firewall and clutch master ?

The one I found and used is pretty compact and mounts directly as you see it. I just had to drill the mounting holes for it. (one might have even lined up with a hole there...don't remember for sure off the top of my head) and looks alot less 'clunky' than the CRS setup I suppose too. And I like having the reservoir mount at a normal looking angle too, lol.. (I could have mounted it anywhere of course, where it ended up seemed to fit into place and package it all up pretty good)