Id have to agree, not a fan of the tail lights or white walls. They just dont look right...
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 08:10 PM
White walls should be a finer line on something like this. Smidge bigger than a pinstripe? 4mm?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 11:58 PM
I have no plans for whitewalls, just wanted to see incase it looked good but it does not suit the car at all.Also not a fan of the tail lights or white walls, sorry, and what is with the rim on the back, do you have a chrome wheel trim on it, if not then maybe invest in some wider rubber and stay away from gutters.
I like the tail lights compared to the stock ones or any other clear or chrome types. They suit the car OK. The stock ones would probably be good tinted but I have been there done that, along with everyone else and the cops don't like it, whereas they don't care about these. They are the best of a bad bunch AFAIK, unless anyone can point out an off the shelf set that I am not aware of, or recommend anything better?
There are no trims on the wheels. They are 8 inch's wide and have a decent offset that is a bit much for the VN's rear guards. I have invested in smaller rubber to keep the tyres from scrubbing too much on the outer walls of the guards. I have taken other steps aswell, as you shall see soon. The best fix is to either cut and/or pump the guards properly (which is the idea), or shorten the diff, or both. If I shorten the diff to suit, it will probably cost a lot more and mean that I can no longer fit other Commodore pattern wheels without scrubbing the inner guards. I want to keep the track as wide as possible which is proving a little challenging on this model because of the shape of the guard obviously.
No real problems though. Of course I avoid gutters. The rims are all still in near mint condition. Whenever I am parking, the front tyre (225s) will always scrub slightly first, even in reverse so the rear never scrapes.
Well, OK� There was this one time, on a very tight right hander, on a very slippery surface, with a very large amount of opposite lock, when I thought I heard the rear left just kiss the gutter�.
But there are no marks on the wheel that I can tell. If there was, I would wear it with pride anyway, heheh : )
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Edited by BAILLIE, 25 March 2011 - 11:59 PM.
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Posted 27 March 2011 - 10:30 PM
Hey mate, had a read through, looks quite good, minus tail lights imo but that's my personal preference. I also love what your mate has done with his exhaust, that's grouse 
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I'm in the same boat as Mick mentioned having a VN V6 T5 manual daily, been a great reliable whip, yo. I use it for towing my boat too in the summer and goes well.
It's a stock driveline, and when I got it had the pearl/hsv grey paint (good from a few feet away but still pretty cool), king superlows, 18's yo. Then when I got it I cleaned it right up and put remote central locking in it (easy as in a VN), white LED backlit dash, re-did the headlining (did you need to re-do yours? Usually they come undone at this age) and subs etc. Just thought I'd share, its almost at the big 400 000 but it really only feels like its done half that, runs great.
Oh and I can say that it actually handles surprisingly well with 18" wheels on it (235 wide tread), the guards have been (poorly) rolled but yea feels nice and solid on the road.
One other thing...do you have to smack the dash every once in a while to get the fuel gauge to read? Hehe apparently its a common problem with a dry solder joint at the voltage reg in the cluster but it doesn't bother me that much to pull it all apart.
.I'm in the same boat as Mick mentioned having a VN V6 T5 manual daily, been a great reliable whip, yo. I use it for towing my boat too in the summer and goes well.
It's a stock driveline, and when I got it had the pearl/hsv grey paint (good from a few feet away but still pretty cool), king superlows, 18's yo. Then when I got it I cleaned it right up and put remote central locking in it (easy as in a VN), white LED backlit dash, re-did the headlining (did you need to re-do yours? Usually they come undone at this age) and subs etc. Just thought I'd share, its almost at the big 400 000 but it really only feels like its done half that, runs great.
Oh and I can say that it actually handles surprisingly well with 18" wheels on it (235 wide tread), the guards have been (poorly) rolled but yea feels nice and solid on the road.
One other thing...do you have to smack the dash every once in a while to get the fuel gauge to read? Hehe apparently its a common problem with a dry solder joint at the voltage reg in the cluster but it doesn't bother me that much to pull it all apart.
Edited by Brad1979UC, 27 March 2011 - 10:32 PM.
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Posted 27 March 2011 - 10:53 PM
my old vn used to do that come to think of it the parts car did that too...
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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:06 PM
if you can find a vl disc braked ass
there a bit shorter from factory
should fit up with no hassles as the vn fit into vl's with no mods
there just wider
there a bit shorter from factory
should fit up with no hassles as the vn fit into vl's with no mods
there just wider
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Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:59 PM
Hey mate, cheers. Yeh, nobody is down with the tail lights, hehehe, but nobody has other suggestions? I guess people would prefer stockies?Hey mate, had a read through, looks quite good, minus tail lights imo but that's my personal preference. I also love what your mate has done with his exhaust, that's grouse
I'm in the same boat as Mick mentioned having a VN V6 T5 manual daily, been a great reliable whip, yo. I use it for towing my boat too in the summer and goes well.
It's a stock driveline, and when I got it had the pearl/hsv grey paint (good from a few feet away but still pretty cool), king superlows, 18's yo. Then when I got it I cleaned it right up and put remote central locking in it (easy as in a VN), white LED backlit dash, re-did the headlining (did you need to re-do yours? Usually they come undone at this age) and subs etc. Just thought I'd share, its almost at the big 400 000 but it really only feels like its done half that, runs great.
Oh and I can say that it actually handles surprisingly well with 18" wheels on it (235 wide tread), the guards have been (poorly) rolled but yea feels nice and solid on the road.
One other thing...do you have to smack the dash every once in a while to get the fuel gauge to read? Hehe apparently its a common problem with a dry solder joint at the voltage reg in the cluster but it doesn't bother me that much to pull it all apart.
Your wagon looks and sounds nice man, good job : )
I have blown a coil pack in mine and replaced it with a series 2 onwards type and had no probs since. Also broken down a couple of times due to fuel level being under a quarter of a tank and parking on a hill, lol.
Cheers for the pic and the info. My headlining finally caved in recently, enough that I couldn't see out the back window, so I ripped the lot out. The clock was showing about 420,000 when I got it. The motor feels very strong, I don't know if it's had a reco or not. I have since replaced the cluster with a tacho version, so now I have only done 250,000 ish. : ) The thing has frozen up since then, which is a shame because yes � the fuel and temp gauges do play up and I like to keep track of fuel after running dry twice now.
The new cluster is a little better than the original though, and a few minutes of driving is usually all it takes to get them both awake again if they are still asleep after start up. I should probably reco the whole unit when funds allow.
Cheers
Edited by BAILLIE, 28 March 2011 - 12:00 AM.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:06 AM
The only under bonnet pic I have : )
Sprung a leak on the way to a phillip island street wagons cruise. You can see the old headlining being dodge, and the colour of the "coolant" even more dodge. I still need to wash the car after to get the gunk off after it sprayed the bumper, guards, screen, bonnet etc.
Got one of these and it's now fitted -
It re-centred the diff, and scrubbed tyres on both sides instead of just the left. Bahaha.
Also picked up a pair of these beauties recently -
Overhead Solution number one -
Overhead Solution number two -
Mmmmm. Ripping stuff out is addictive : )
Once i started, i couldn't stop! Haaha, luckily there is no shortage of useless junk in this thing : )
Sprung a leak on the way to a phillip island street wagons cruise. You can see the old headlining being dodge, and the colour of the "coolant" even more dodge. I still need to wash the car after to get the gunk off after it sprayed the bumper, guards, screen, bonnet etc.
Got one of these and it's now fitted -
It re-centred the diff, and scrubbed tyres on both sides instead of just the left. Bahaha.
Also picked up a pair of these beauties recently -
Overhead Solution number one -
Overhead Solution number two -
Mmmmm. Ripping stuff out is addictive : )
Once i started, i couldn't stop! Haaha, luckily there is no shortage of useless junk in this thing : )
Edited by BAILLIE, 28 March 2011 - 12:14 AM.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:12 AM
Brad: "One other thing...do you have to smack the dash every once in a while to get the fuel gauge to read?"
Standard VN spec. All model variants.
Sticking fuel gauge requiring the VN salute- Tap Tap.
Self reclining seats.
Reduced glare from buttons around gauges- illumination always off. Random operation when saluting the dash for the fuel gauge.
Rear vision mirror locked in day or night mode only as the button fell off and something is stuffed in there to stop it wobbling back and forth.
Down position only sunvisors.
Left mirror randomly drops to view next to the car- handy for parking.
Easy access fuse panel- just bump and it pops open.
Theft reduction bonnet requires a hard smack or second person to open.
Reduced fire hazard in the console as the cig lighter never actually works.
Child locks on the rear doors and adult proof rear window winders.
Standard Holden under-body rust protection provided by the power steering or engine sump. Usually extends from the front bumper to around the diff area and gets more extensive with age/kms.
I call them 'quirks'
Standard VN spec. All model variants.
Sticking fuel gauge requiring the VN salute- Tap Tap.
Self reclining seats.
Reduced glare from buttons around gauges- illumination always off. Random operation when saluting the dash for the fuel gauge.
Rear vision mirror locked in day or night mode only as the button fell off and something is stuffed in there to stop it wobbling back and forth.
Down position only sunvisors.
Left mirror randomly drops to view next to the car- handy for parking.
Easy access fuse panel- just bump and it pops open.
Theft reduction bonnet requires a hard smack or second person to open.
Reduced fire hazard in the console as the cig lighter never actually works.
Child locks on the rear doors and adult proof rear window winders.
Standard Holden under-body rust protection provided by the power steering or engine sump. Usually extends from the front bumper to around the diff area and gets more extensive with age/kms.
I call them 'quirks'
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:23 AM
I wont bore everyone to death with details, but 3 days later (i had a cold and should have been in bed) i had the seats fitted.
Never done it before but it worked out very well. The standard rails (very lucky for me) were able to be massaged to accept bucket seat awesomness : ) They are fully adustable still, which was handy yesterday when squeezing a 2.1 metre long book shelf in the back : )
View from the backseat, which is now missing, perhaps permanently.
Dam! They are good : )
I forgot how much they help. You can focus 100% on driving and no need to waste half of your energy bracing yourself for every corner. Best mod yet, hands down : )
Never done it before but it worked out very well. The standard rails (very lucky for me) were able to be massaged to accept bucket seat awesomness : ) They are fully adustable still, which was handy yesterday when squeezing a 2.1 metre long book shelf in the back : )
View from the backseat, which is now missing, perhaps permanently.
Dam! They are good : )
I forgot how much they help. You can focus 100% on driving and no need to waste half of your energy bracing yourself for every corner. Best mod yet, hands down : )
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:45 AM
Seats look nice!
What brand are they?
What brand are they?
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:53 AM
Brad: "One other thing...do you have to smack the dash every once in a while to get the fuel gauge to read?"
Standard VN spec. All model variants.
Sticking fuel gauge requiring the VN salute- Tap Tap.
Self reclining seats.
Reduced glare from buttons around gauges- illumination always off. Random operation when saluting the dash for the fuel gauge.
Rear vision mirror locked in day or night mode only as the button fell off and something is stuffed in there to stop it wobbling back and forth.
Down position only sunvisors.
Left mirror randomly drops to view next to the car- handy for parking.
Easy access fuse panel- just bump and it pops open.
Theft reduction bonnet requires a hard smack or second person to open.
Reduced fire hazard in the console as the cig lighter never actually works.
Child locks on the rear doors and adult proof rear window winders.
Standard Holden under-body rust protection provided by the power steering or engine sump. Usually extends from the front bumper to around the diff area and gets more extensive with age/kms.
I call them 'quirks'
Bahaha, i like it : )
The seats are Recaros. These particular ones are from a Honda DV 5 i believe, but the same type were also factory fitted to EVO 7s and 8s. You should be able to pick some up online or from almost any Jap / import wreckers.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 12:59 AM
Weight reduction STAGE 1 -
Measured weights -
Head-lining – 3.0 kg
Spare wheel recess cover – 4.6 kg
Read window washer bottle (filled) – 1.75 kg
Rear carpet section – 3.0 kg
Rear wheel tub carpet sections – (1.25 kg each), total = 2.5 kg
Back seat carpet sections – 2.45 kg
Tailgate carpet section – 1.0 kg
Carpet sections from under front seats – 1.6 kg
Rear seat belts (total) – 2.2 kg
Back seat folding plate – 4.25 kg
Centre console – 3.8 kg
Plastic trim – (total) – 5.7 kg
TOTAL - 35.85 kgs
Estimated weights –
Back seat lower – 7 - 10 kg
Back seat upper – 10 - 14 kg
Spare wheel + tyre – 15 – 20 kg
TOTAL – 32 – 44 kg.
So, fairly safe to say an initial diet of 70 kgs no worries.
I would really like to keep an accurate measure of what goes in and what comes out. The seats seemed about the same as eachother, and the rails are standard still. I know it's a bit late to do them properly, but i couldn't wait (weight?
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My scales only go to 5 kg. I would like some hanging ones that can go to 20 or even 50 kgs so i can measure the correct weight of the spare and other things. Just for something to do hey.
Measured weights -
Head-lining – 3.0 kg
Spare wheel recess cover – 4.6 kg
Read window washer bottle (filled) – 1.75 kg
Rear carpet section – 3.0 kg
Rear wheel tub carpet sections – (1.25 kg each), total = 2.5 kg
Back seat carpet sections – 2.45 kg
Tailgate carpet section – 1.0 kg
Carpet sections from under front seats – 1.6 kg
Rear seat belts (total) – 2.2 kg
Back seat folding plate – 4.25 kg
Centre console – 3.8 kg
Plastic trim – (total) – 5.7 kg
TOTAL - 35.85 kgs
Estimated weights –
Back seat lower – 7 - 10 kg
Back seat upper – 10 - 14 kg
Spare wheel + tyre – 15 – 20 kg
TOTAL – 32 – 44 kg.
So, fairly safe to say an initial diet of 70 kgs no worries.
I would really like to keep an accurate measure of what goes in and what comes out. The seats seemed about the same as eachother, and the rails are standard still. I know it's a bit late to do them properly, but i couldn't wait (weight?
) to put them in.My scales only go to 5 kg. I would like some hanging ones that can go to 20 or even 50 kgs so i can measure the correct weight of the spare and other things. Just for something to do hey.
Edited by BAILLIE, 28 March 2011 - 01:03 AM.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 07:24 PM
I always find weight reduction methods intriguing. Cheers for posting that up. It sort of equates to free horsepower until you carry a couple of passengers
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 08:14 PM
I always find weight reduction methods intriguing. Cheers for posting that up. It sort of equates to free horsepower until you carry a couple of passengers
Hey, no worries mate. Yeh, sortof.
I have taken care of that (for the most part) by removing the back seat. It might have been used say once a year anyway, so nobody is missing out on taxi-ness.
Reducing weight is superior to increasing power IMO:
Less weight = Faster acceleration with less load and strain on the entire driveline. It equals much better handling and braking performance, plus improved fuel economy.
People would pay good money for a product that worked and did all of the above. But no need because it's free for everyone (except taxi drivers etc).
This wagon is a real tubby. They are full sized cars and quite in need a low fat diet (when you intend to have fun driving them). After stage one, I get see what the car would have driven like if it had no people in it at all. (I weigh about 70 kg)
Add one passenger and it brings it back to normal (or there-abouts), which is still an improvement over how it was.
Some people even take out the front passenger seat. I did that for a couple of days, while swapping to the buckets and even that alone made a nice difference� which got me thinking dirty thoughts, and then the bug bit me, of course : ) heheh.
Edited by BAILLIE, 28 March 2011 - 08:16 PM.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 12:23 PM
What width are the tyres on those 16x8s on the back? 205s? 195s?
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 01:46 PM
How's in-car noise/road noise with all that stuff taken out?
Had my VN's driver's door trim off for a couple of days and the road noise drove me nuts!
Had my VN's driver's door trim off for a couple of days and the road noise drove me nuts!
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Hey Heath, the those rears are 205s, down from 215s. I have really been trying to avoid going any smaller. I'll have a proper play with the guards one day and see if i can get away with 215s again. I have heard you can shove a jack in there and slowly stretch them so i might give it a go and see. I don't have the tools to cut or weld anything.
GMLH - That's soft, hahaha. Yeh, actually my door trims are still on for now, i need to decide what i am doing with them before ripping them off or chopping anything. I would like to keep the armrests at very least in the front, the rears don't matter so much anymore.
I have also left the carpet in the front section and around the firewall and trans tunnel. I know it gets hot (with a V8 anyway) so insulation helps there.
I got a new metallic rattle plus a fair bit of road noise from the rear. Only an issue until i get used to it really. I might see if i can locate a rattle source and shut it up though, i still don't know what's causing it.
On the plus side, it distracts from the front doors smashing up and down when going over bumps. I would really like to figure out some way to dampen that noise, i hate it. I have always been able to feel the doors move plenty with my finger in the gap, even over tiny bumps. They bottom out on the sill or something and go bang, quite a lot.
Having a quick search, it seems that my hinges should be fine because the panel gaps are all good. The problem i think is the door striker which apparently has a plastic casing on it and when these come off you get the movement. Awesome, i will have a look asap, sounds like an easy fix : )
so i might give it a go and see. I don't have the tools to cut or weld anything.GMLH - That's soft, hahaha. Yeh, actually my door trims are still on for now, i need to decide what i am doing with them before ripping them off or chopping anything. I would like to keep the armrests at very least in the front, the rears don't matter so much anymore.
I have also left the carpet in the front section and around the firewall and trans tunnel. I know it gets hot (with a V8 anyway) so insulation helps there.
I got a new metallic rattle plus a fair bit of road noise from the rear. Only an issue until i get used to it really. I might see if i can locate a rattle source and shut it up though, i still don't know what's causing it.
On the plus side, it distracts from the front doors smashing up and down when going over bumps. I would really like to figure out some way to dampen that noise, i hate it. I have always been able to feel the doors move plenty with my finger in the gap, even over tiny bumps. They bottom out on the sill or something and go bang, quite a lot.
Having a quick search, it seems that my hinges should be fine because the panel gaps are all good. The problem i think is the door striker which apparently has a plastic casing on it and when these come off you get the movement. Awesome, i will have a look asap, sounds like an easy fix : )
Edited by BAILLIE, 29 March 2011 - 05:10 PM.
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Posted 29 March 2011 - 05:12 PM
Oh, and this thing arrived today -
Bang!
Bang!
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Went for a cruise and got some more practice in with night shooting photos. I still need a tripod, but I figured I could get the odd low lying shot resting on the ground or on my club-lock hehehe, and at least get some more ideas about the rest.
Pretty happy with a few of them. Something different anyway.
The wagon needs a good wash. Also a polish, a good service and a new set of rear treads : ) �. And a supercharger. But first things first.
You can see the slimline black and white plates in these pics. Got them a few months ago, they are standard still, not personalised, so only slightly wanky. Then I ruined it with the monster wank tacho which I have had for ages but I only just put it in last weekend. It was just sitting in a box so I thought I might as well put it to use. The dash tacho was hard to see, slow to react and glitchy so it was an easy choice after all : )
Before I left home I was thinking about laying some rubber in a carpark or whatever and then shooting the car sitting on the end of the marks. Turns out I didn't need to bother, there was PLENTY of it almost everywhere I went, hahaha, just had to park on it : )
I'll have to grab some blue LEDs for the rest of the cluster hey : ) -
Almost need my sunnies too. Dam thing needs a dimmer switch on it : )
Pretty happy with a few of them. Something different anyway.
The wagon needs a good wash. Also a polish, a good service and a new set of rear treads : ) �. And a supercharger. But first things first.
You can see the slimline black and white plates in these pics. Got them a few months ago, they are standard still, not personalised, so only slightly wanky. Then I ruined it with the monster wank tacho which I have had for ages but I only just put it in last weekend. It was just sitting in a box so I thought I might as well put it to use. The dash tacho was hard to see, slow to react and glitchy so it was an easy choice after all : )
Before I left home I was thinking about laying some rubber in a carpark or whatever and then shooting the car sitting on the end of the marks. Turns out I didn't need to bother, there was PLENTY of it almost everywhere I went, hahaha, just had to park on it : )
I'll have to grab some blue LEDs for the rest of the cluster hey : ) -
Almost need my sunnies too. Dam thing needs a dimmer switch on it : )
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Well and truly below the wear indicators -
Time to grab something a little fresher. Hmm, decisions�
Drivers side guard showing some lovely polished metal. Usually on the inner tub, not the outer bit, and usually much bigger and shinier.
Passenger side has been lucky and had the most loving, touching and rubbing -
I went bush mechanics on it's arse again. Actually did the job very well : ) Thanks JC forums : )
Time to grab something a little fresher. Hmm, decisions�
Drivers side guard showing some lovely polished metal. Usually on the inner tub, not the outer bit, and usually much bigger and shinier.
Passenger side has been lucky and had the most loving, touching and rubbing -
I went bush mechanics on it's arse again. Actually did the job very well : ) Thanks JC forums : )
Edited by BAILLIE, 31 March 2011 - 07:52 PM.
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This is the jack sitting in there after finishing the drivers side. �
Here is the jack again at the same height, but on the passenger side before I started. Over an inch extra clearance easy
Mmmm, ghetto : )
As soon as i finished, i was looking at the rear guards and thinking "Yeh, i could just chop that right out, then add in two sections here and here, then whack it back together and i'd have a pretty sweet wide-body kit."
Reading too many Dirtbag threads, hahhaha, at least my mind is opening to more possibilities and i believe i can actually achieve things if i want. This will do me for now though, i will try with the 215s again and it should be sweet.
Here is the jack again at the same height, but on the passenger side before I started. Over an inch extra clearance easy
Mmmm, ghetto : )
As soon as i finished, i was looking at the rear guards and thinking "Yeh, i could just chop that right out, then add in two sections here and here, then whack it back together and i'd have a pretty sweet wide-body kit."
Reading too many Dirtbag threads, hahhaha, at least my mind is opening to more possibilities and i believe i can actually achieve things if i want. This will do me for now though, i will try with the 215s again and it should be sweet.
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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:11 PM
stop it .
Oh wait its a VN, keep going
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<edit> Those pics made me start singing this.
. Oh wait its a VN, keep going
.<edit> Those pics made me start singing this.
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Posted 31 March 2011 - 08:16 PM
Bahaha!
People said the same about Torries back in the day i reckon.
I was scarred for life when a guy at the shop up the road told me that they used to crush them.
Nobody cares about VNs. I am not sure if they ever will. Awesome news for me, cheap parts until they crush them all.
People said the same about Torries back in the day i reckon.
I was scarred for life when a guy at the shop up the road told me that they used to crush them.
Nobody cares about VNs. I am not sure if they ever will. Awesome news for me, cheap parts until they crush them all.
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