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#26 biga064

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

Hi Adam , I give it a shot , on mine when the uni's were new and all the circlips fitted , the trunion ( the uni cross piece ) could move up and down inside the cups ( not in a twisting movement but vertically ). you could tap the cups in a but further to tighten it up ( this is on the diff yoke with the "U" bolts) but after couple of good flog the caps would move back out until stopped by the circlips and the vibe would return , I tried to get slightly thicker clips but could only get ones that made the uni too tight . So on the macined radius area where the uni sits i put 3 center punch dints equaly spaced arond the radius , about 1 mm away from the face where the circlip sits , the center punch marks made small raised section appear on the face of the yoke where the circlip sits , this effectively pulls the uni caps in a little . NOTE don't get too carried away with the punch as you only a couple of thou on each side of the yoke , Also try to make each punch hit as accurate as you can to keep it equal on both sides.The uni should have only slight resistance when sliding it onto the yoke , if too tight gently file the punched rased areas equaly on both side for a nice snug fit , not loose, tighten "U" bolts an check for end play What you want to accieve is to have each uni cap seating a little further in the yoke to keep the trunion from moving up and down inside te cups I.E keep it running true .

I have only ever needed to do this on the dif yoke and was told by a tailshaft dood that its because of manufacturing tollerances from to old imperial uni's to the average metric ones that you get now , he said the F100 utes are natorious for this.

let me know if its not all that clear and i'll dig out a yoke and take some pix

Geoff.Thanks Geoff i understand what you have done now !!! But a picture speaks a thousand words !!! thanks



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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

Cool I'll dig some up.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:18 AM

im going through similar probs mate, when i put my box back in, there was a vibe that wasnt there before. ive spent money ,and checked every thing 3 times.then i realised by changing th shifter position on my toyota 5 speed.(moved it further back) i didnt quite trim enough metal ,from around the floor.the box was hard up against the edge of it.. so i hope your issue is as simple as that. it drove me me insane for the first 500 bucks.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

Hi Adam here are some pix of the yoke on my spare dif . I also found some old uni's that came out of the cooks EH back in the early 80's , they won't fit in this center punched yoke with the circlips fitted unless I force it in but it it too tight to turn but a brand new TOYO uni fits nice and snug , I guess it old and new spec or something.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU PUNCH BOTH SIDES of the yoke to keep it all symetrical only one side shown in the pix .

Cheers. Geoff.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 04:24 PM

been a while but still no fix been over it again but not bingo, spoke to a transmission builder thinking it could possibly be in the box, but they told me for sure it wouldn't be in the box, but they did reccomend putting the rubber mounts thats go between the chassis and transmission crossmember making the crossmember floating, said they where on only the autos an the manuals where solid mounted without them it would vibrate like crap. so next question is does any one else know of these or possibly where you can get some.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 05:42 PM

Seems this is quite common because im having problems with my torry..LX SS V8 aussie 4 speed..last year i put a new 308 in it done less than 1000 kays
on the dyno at 6250 rpm about 200 kph no vibrations even with one slightly buckled wheel which is common also my bloke says
anyway bit the bullet and had a Borg Warner diff (lsd) made up by Rodtech in Adelaide..a very well respected company..whilst i was at it i had a 3" tailshaft made up from a EA Falcon one..since they use the same unis as Commodore its an easy conversion

but ive had a vibration at about 95 kays and just gets worse there after..ive taken the tailshaft out and sent it to the shop that made it up to get it checked for straightness and balance again..interestingly the guy said there were std and premium unis(uj 2038 an uj 2038-r) the r one being premium
since i work for Repco i supplied what we had..this guy says he doesnt like them and is gunna replace them with the ones he uses

i'll let you know how i get on cheers

Edited by S.S., 06 August 2012 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:47 PM

Toranas are bad for it once lowered, even with adjustable upper arms I couldn't get decent uni angles so in the end I fitted a two piece driveshaft... a bit over the top but sorted the problem!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:28 AM

I've also got the same problem. The car had the original banjo, tailshaft & aussie 4 speed in it. I lived with the vibration knowing the driveline would be upgraded eventually. The vibration would occur around 95 klms & you could feel it going through the car & through the seat. The universals were worn so that must have been the problem so I thought. The car is lowered & now has all new driveline eg. 9" diff, 3" tail shaft & tko 600 & guess what? That dam vibration is still there! So now I have to find the problem. The pain begins!

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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:04 PM

just a recap..i got my tailshaft back from the shop,the guy said he replaced one uni and rebalanced it..i fitted the shaft to my torry and went for drive

vibration was still there..although better from about 95 kays upwards..went to a tyre shop and got both rear wheels balanced

they were out of balance quite a bit but it made no difference at all..so the hunt continues

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:48 PM

would a sticky govenor have any thing to do with balanceof the output shaft on the gearbox. have been told that some gearbox builders dont put them on manualised trimatics, just throwing it out there, if there isnt a govenor or if it was sticking would it be possible to have a vibration, didn't change any thing with the box when changed to borgy and bigger tail shaft. any ideas

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:21 PM

Well! My problem is narrowed down to the engine. I did replace the harmonic balancer a couple years ago so all I could think of, is either the flywheel or the engine crank & rotating mass itself. I can feel it through the front end while the car is in neutral & me playing with the carby throttle, while changing engine revs & leaning against the nose cone, I can feel the vibration oscillating. So I suspect I have an unbalanced engine & I have lived with it the last few years. Looks like a good excuse to bring forward my Hi-po 355 build.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:18 PM

I would think that the engine harmonic vibration would be fairly obvious by placing the car in neutral and freely reving it until it the vibration starts. I have had very out of balanced 308's before and the vibration was very apparent by doing as I have mentioned. Have you tried this yet?

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:46 PM

well i took my torrie to a mates workshop an put car on the hoist in 2nd gear idling..with me in the car..they raised the hoist for a look see

mainly to check the diff yoke(coz someone told me they can be bent).......turns out it does have a wop in it i was gunna get my bloke to put a dial indicator on it to check..but he said no need..he could see it just by looking at it..IT IS BENT!!!

theres a diff specialist in Adelaide who faces the secondhand ones in a lathe $66 so im going to get one and i'll let you know how i get on

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:32 PM

mate that sucks but your on your way to gettin it by the sounds, ive checked the runout on mine and its around a .001 to .0015 so dont think it will be a problem, wondering if it could be on the coupling on the tailshaft could be bent/ deformed but having it a couple of driveline shops i thought some one might of sussed it.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

mate that sucks but your on your way to gettin it by the sounds, ive checked the runout on mine and its around a .001 to .0015 so dont think it will be a problem, wondering if it could be on the coupling on the tailshaft could be bent/ deformed but having it a couple of driveline shops i thought some one might of sussed it.

yeah my problem is definately at the diff end of the tailshaft..and yes it could be the uni coupling also a bent pinion..geez i hope its not that

at this stage its a process of elimniation

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 05:08 PM

heres my reco'd diff yoke we fitted,went for a drive and....................no change ..vibration is stil there it may have moved it up from 95-100 kays to 110 kays
we checked the tailshaft runout was 18 thou at the diff end..so no result
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 08:09 PM

mate that sucks, bit weird that its moved up in speed. hope its better luck next time. any thoughts on the pinion actually being bent i got my diff from a wreckers as a cut up centre with the first 12 inches of the tailshaft with it, just wondering if any one out there has actually had a bent pinion and how much bend would it need to create a decent vibration.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 08:13 PM

How does just facing it fix a bend in the yoke??

Facing it will simply mean the tailshaft face runs true laterally across the car, but if the yoke is bent it will still "orbit" so to speak x amount......Fool and his money??

Also if the pinion shaft is bent and not the yoke, or a bit of both, then the newly faced yoke will still move in all directions.....

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 08:52 PM

nt sure if takes out the bend but if machined properly on a peg, should be fairly close to being good the only thing ive been told too check them incase of being dropped and have dented up the face.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 08:59 PM

Well if its actually bentt between the spline and the face, in teh cone kinda shape in our pick, then facing it will obviously straighten the face but wont affect the runout.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:06 PM

How does just facing it fix a bend in the yoke??

Facing it will simply mean the tailshaft face runs true laterally across the car, but if the yoke is bent it will still "orbit" so to speak x amount......Fool and his money??

Also if the pinion shaft is bent and not the yoke, or a bit of both, then the newly faced yoke will still move in all directions.....

Cheers.

umm..just facing the yoke wont fix a bent one..but Precision Diffs in Adelaide where i got this yoke face both sides of the outer ring(the front and back) which would square it up to the yokes centre line..im guessing but they arent gunna send out a rebuilt diff with a bent yoke if the yoke was bent beyond repair they would bin it
fool and his money..well yes everyone who has a car knows they are like a black hole in the ground to which you pour money :huh:

the pinion could be bent..unknown at this stage

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:09 PM

How will facing both sides fix it?

Its all about the alignment of the spline and the middle spigot where the tailshft locates....

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:22 PM

How will facing both sides fix it?

Its all about the alignment of the spline and the middle spigot where the tailshft locates....

Cheers.

agreed with that, even though its more work than worth you could possibly weld the tailshaft spigot and re machine making true from the spline both faces and the spigot. not trying to start an argument here,

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

yep that would work, and check the pinion......

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

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yep that would work, and check the pinion......

Cheers.

have you ever seen or heard of the affects of a bent / even slightly bent pinion.




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