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Posted 17 June 2016 - 09:08 AM

Seems short sighted by the planners.

 

Multiculturalism is not separating people into blocks based on religion, race, colour etc.



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Posted 17 June 2016 - 07:47 PM

Seems short sighted by the planners.

 

Multiculturalism is not separating people into blocks based on religion, race, colour etc.

 

 You're right - "multiculturalism" is about "divide and conquer".

 

 Think about it - what is the greatest enemy of a democratically-elected Government? 

 

A united electorate.

 

 If the vast majority of Australian voters had similar views and priorities then our politicians would have to fall in line with those priorities. But when you have many different groups with opposing priorities then none have any real voting power. So by having a "multicultural" society politicians can play one group against another.



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 11:37 AM

Our biggest problem in politcs, as I see it, is noisy minority groups.

Or hung parliaments where the support of minority groups is needed.

Everyone actually has some good ideas.

But most of them have no idea how to actually implement the idea.

 

Its all well and good to say something such as zero fossil fuel energy.

But the practicality of it is a long way off.

 

Listened to a Green representative say they were going to get rid of all coal mines.

The area this Green person covered has coal mines.

All of them are metallurgical coal producers.

Said Green person had no answer to how do we make steel..

 

So far as my research has found, only one Concentrated Solar Power Station has managed to produce power for 24 hours continuosly.

And that would have been on an absolutely ideal day and at reduced loading.

 

But they say it can do it because it happened once.

Bit like the first Jumbo flying non stop London to Sydney.

Empty with ideal conditions.

Not practically feasible.

 

We do need more people like Ricky and Pauline.

They are real people who have actually experienced life in average persons shoes.

 

But some of these people that have some good ideas also have some ridiculously stupid ones.

It would be doubtful they would be able to form a cohesive group with enough good ideas to make a real difference.

 

Having endless debates in the Senate about issues because one person wants a pea brain idea implemented before they support the big issues will be a pita for good government.

 

The current situation is really bad.

Shorten and his cohorts block even stuff that was their policy leading up to the election.

As bad as Rudd Gillard Rudd were, they were allowed to govern without the sort of interference that has been happening.

 

Ive actually been going through a bit of policy of the alternatives and even though there is some good stuff there is some absolute bad stuff they want.

 

I only have 4 choices in the Reps.

The senate paper has given me some laughs though.



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 01:20 PM

Regarding the new voting, there is an instructional video on Ricky Muirs Facebook.
Useful to know regardless of who you vote for

https://m.facebook.c...635754215/&_rdr

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 01:31 PM

Can't disagree with too much of that ...... 

 

But the way I see it is :  That everybody wants everything for nothing..  and nothing wrong with that..  but this is the root of our problems.. 

 

Just look at your own lives, without judging others for a second.   We all ( I know I do, and everyone else that trusts me with what they do at Tax Time) avoides paying anymore tax than they have too.. and rightly so.  But some people and companies go to extreme lengths to avoid payig tax. And they legally get away with it.  We sit and moan about long hospital waiting lists, the expense of dental, the condition of our roads, no parks for the kids to play in, the list goes on.....  and yet no one wants to pay tax... Hell the present government doesn't even want to collect it..   

 

I have always wondered why the cleaner, the cleans the "Executives Toilets" who earns around 40,000 a year pays his 30% tax, while the Exec's are earning in some cases millions, and paying in most cases frock all ...

 

I would totally support a party that would come out and make it their priority to look at the Tax System, and look at the Welfare System (for the rich & the poor) both of these thing are ridiculously out of control...

 

And lastly, I am more than happy to have some of my taxes go to people who honestly do need help, the mentally ill, the handicapped, the elderly and the young..  if there is money left to help the ones that are doing all right in life, well so be it....  but I would be proud to live in a country that put its people ahead of business... 

 

Because,  the way I see it is, ...   we all need each other to prosper, to make this country great.  Not just those at the top, and the rest of us greatful for the opportunity to clean their toilets .... 



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 01:50 PM

Stop foreign aid and make religious entities pay tax like everyone else and we will come a long way towards your goals mate. 



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 02:26 PM

Its not so much the millionaires themselves that avoid paying all the tax.

They are on PAYG as are all wage earners.

Sure they will avoid tax like all taxpayers.

 

Business owners can avoid a lot of tax in various ways.

But when you look at how they got where they are, not all of them, but a lot, then I dont begrudge them too much.

 

They have often put everything in their life on the line to get a business up and running.

Often they have lived on very little in the early years while they pay wages and running costs.

When it gets profitable they should be able to reap some rewards.

 

I remember years ago where a country reduced its tax rates to way below what they were.

They ended up collecting more tax because it was no longer worth avoiding it.

There was a bit of unemployment associated with it where big companies had no more need for the multitudes of accountants and lawyers they previously pais to avoid paying tax.

It was a long time ago so the memory doesnt recall which country.

 

Our welfare system does need a huge overhaul.

 

On another note I read some comments on Facebook where the writer complained there was nothing in the budget for him.

He didnt gain anything, nor did he lose anything.

I reckon thats an acceptable result.

 

Im single, white australian male and worked for myself for many years.

Cant ever recall a budget where i won anything.

Usually got screwed for something.

 

I would love churches and such to start paying taxes.

I would love multinational companies to pay a fairer share of the money they make here.



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 03:03 PM

Agreed. 


Edited by Bomber Watson, 18 June 2016 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2016 - 03:04 PM

Stop foreign aid and make religious entities pay tax like everyone else and we will come a long way towards your goals mate. 

Your dead right we got homeless people here and families that struggle to put food on the table but we can give away millions of $$$$$$ to other countries
i dont mind paying tax but ffs use the money here where its needed
over haul of the tax system is long overdue

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 04:07 PM

Foreign aid apparently is an obligation for all member nations of the United Nations.

Not sure how it all works or whether or not membership has any benefits.

 

Kev and Julia wanted uss to be big wigs in the UN

Bit hard when our entire population is somewhere around the same as New York.

 

Too many politicians and others that make decisions fail to realise this.

Why did we have to invent our own TV system, and mobile phone system when we are such a small market in the scheme of things?

Just copying technology already in use in bigger countries would have made lots more sense.



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 05:10 PM

Foreign aid apparently is an obligation for all member nations of the United Nations.

Not sure how it all works or whether or not membership has any benefits.

 

Kev and Julia wanted uss to be big wigs in the UN

Bit hard when our entire population is somewhere around the same as New York.

 

Too many politicians and others that make decisions fail to realise this.

Why did we have to invent our own TV system, and mobile phone system when we are such a small market in the scheme of things?

Just copying technology already in use in bigger countries would have made lots more sense.

 

 

^^^ This.

 

 Oz is a small and insignificant country. Pretending otherwise is delusional. We should look after our own affairs and stick to what we're good at - assuming we're still good for anything at all.



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Posted 18 June 2016 - 07:21 PM

Its not so much the millionaires themselves that avoid paying all the tax.

They are on PAYG as are all wage earners.

Sure they will avoid tax like all taxpayers.

 

Business owners can avoid a lot of tax in various ways.

But when you look at how they got where they are, not all of them, but a lot, then I dont begrudge them too much.

 

They have often put everything in their life on the line to get a business up and running.

Often they have lived on very little in the early years while they pay wages and running costs.

When it gets profitable they should be able to reap some rewards.

 

I remember years ago where a country reduced its tax rates to way below what they were.

They ended up collecting more tax because it was no longer worth avoiding it.

There was a bit of unemployment associated with it where big companies had no more need for the multitudes of accountants and lawyers they previously pais to avoid paying tax.

It was a long time ago so the memory doesnt recall which country.

 

Our welfare system does need a huge overhaul.

 

On another note I read some comments on Facebook where the writer complained there was nothing in the budget for him.

He didnt gain anything, nor did he lose anything.

I reckon thats an acceptable result.

 

Im single, white australian male and worked for myself for many years.

Cant ever recall a budget where i won anything.

Usually got screwed for something.

 

I would love churches and such to start paying taxes.

I would love multinational companies to pay a fairer share of the money they make here.

I hope that is not in reply to my comment ...  because as you can read, I singled out no one .......  I just don't understand why we pay differing tax rates ..  When I worked as a wage earner, I payed at the time (and forgive me if i'm out a little on the actual figures, as it was a while ago...)  but around 38% tax, and if I worked overtime, and earn't over $1200.00, I payed 49% tax, with nothing to claim, but laundry, tool replacement, and Union fee's .. 

 

When I was self employed I payed 15%, and claimed everything imaginable, and still got a return ???  Happy as mind you ..

 

Sorry if it wasn't addressed to me....  but as you can see by my post...  I target no group... that is what divides us...   I think we should all pay tax to the same degree....  no exceptions ....   a percentage of what you earn, wage earner's, businesses, multinational companies, everyone .....    When you go to Sea World, they don't ask who much you earn, or how many people you employ... we all pay the same.  same in every other aspect...    Jeez, I remember some of my friends that got mining jobs straight out of school, and were paying in tax what I was earning...  and they were winging flat out....  I told them, I would be happy to swap them circumstances, seeing I was doing the same work, but for a mining contactor, and not the mines ....  none took me up ....   

 

I am not asking anyone to pay more, without being willing to pay more myself .......  The point I was making is the reluctance for everyone to pay Tax, me included....   And the readiness for everyone to complain about the level of services, yet the same people expect some other group to foot the bill ....  

 

And in no way am I saying this is an easy task ....   but when some of the biggest companies in the world are making huge profits in Australia, and paying next to no tax, and in some cases, receiving taxpayer subsidies for the privilege of doing business here//  something needs to be done..

 

Of the 48 Billion dollars the Government want to give to so called "Small Buisness" , 7 Billion will go to the 5 big Banks..??  surely banks that make billions in profit every year can pay a little extra..   

 

It would take a brave Government to take on Tax Reform in an effort to make it fair....  because someone will loose out.   and as long as you give half of the group a handout, you will never have to take on everyone ...    seems to have worked so far in my time... Most times our view  just depends on where you are at in life ... 

 

Just my opinion ..  not Gospel ......



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Posted 01 July 2016 - 09:50 AM

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The AMEP are extremely proud of the transformation of Ricky Muir from an everyday guy to Senator. We encourage everyone to watch this video, and to always stand up for what you believe in.

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2 Days until the Election...

Thanks to the Government changing the rules around voting in the Senate, and then calling a double dissolution election, AMEP Senator Ricky Muir only gets to serve two of his six year term, and AMEP are faced with an uncertain future.  
 
We are proud of the transformation that Ricky Muir has undergone, and proud of the entire AMEP Team of volunteers who have worked tirelessly to support Ricky, and give a much needed voice to Motoring Enthusiasts and the Aftermarket and Motorsport Industries. 
 
Sure we have made some mistakes along the way; it has certainly been a step learning curve navigating the volatile and negative world of politics.  Regardless of what happens on Saturday, we can all be proud we have played the game with integrity.
 
We have done our part, now it is up to the voters what happens on Saturday.  
 
For our Victorian, New South Wales and South Australian members, you know what to do - VOTE 1 AMEP and as many minor parties as you can on the white ballot paper on Saturday.  To those who have already voted for us through postal votes or pre-polling, we say thank you.

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:07 AM

Stop foreign aid and make religious entities pay tax like everyone else and we will come a long way towards your goals mate. 

 

I think the Liberal democrats have the right policy on foreign aid which is to cut all foreign aid except for emergency disaster relief.

Foreign aid is taking from poor people in wealthy countries and giving this money to wealthy people in poor countries.

Links at the bottom of this page from Kenyan economist who says stop the aid-

http://www.ldp.org.a...icy/foreign-aid

 

The Liberal democrats also think the government should not subsidise religion which will save us hundreds of millions a year, they say religion is a private matter.

 

For me Labor-Liberals and the Greens will be fighting for last place on my ballot paper, I prefer a few Ricky Muirs, Pauline and David Leyonhjelm to the current clowns we have.



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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:18 AM

Keep them low on the green ballot paper and don't number them at all on the white one.

One nation, liberal democrats, Australian liberty alliance, xenophon, and probably that radex party will be in my above the line six. Need to pick a sixth.

Edited by Bomber Watson, 01 July 2016 - 10:19 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:21 AM

done my postal vote already. The 3 majors didnt get a look in on my senate paper. Im hoping that the attempt at changing the voting system backfires on them and the independants get more seats



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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:27 AM



One nation, liberal democrats, Australian liberty alliance, xenophon, and probably that radex party will be in my above the line six. Need to pick a sixth.

After just looking at the Queensland candidates, I can't imagine why you don't have the Pirate Party on your list DJ. :blink:

Give the Shooters Fishers and Farmers a go. At least they already have their foot in the door.



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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:30 AM

Hahahhaa I was tossing up the pirate party.

Shooters and fishers is a usual fallback for me, seem like an orrite bunch and the kind of people we need in the senate.

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:35 AM

After just looking at the Queensland candidates, I can't imagine why you don't have the Pirate Party on your list DJ. :blink:

Give the Shooters Fishers and Farmers a go. At least they already have their foot in the door.

 

As one of the 1.9 million licensed firearm owners in Australia who are in the Crimtrac database despite not having  criminal record I will be voting SFFP at number 2.

 

Gun laws are a state issue so I doubt the SFFP can do much in federal government which is why I pit them number 1 in state elections.

 

For me the Greens are going dead last on every ballot paper.



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Posted 04 July 2016 - 12:52 PM

So how is Ricky going over there?



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Posted 05 July 2016 - 08:41 PM

Not looking good for Ricky he might be gone.

 

Senate count will take a few weeks.






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