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#101 lj72bathurst

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 07:40 PM

The broach marks can not be replicated. All the restamps are missing the
Broach marks. Or the block was blank and restamp but the casting date would be wrong.
I have seen a blank block no engine number and has broach marks. Cheers Jason

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 07:42 PM

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I did post the same engine number a few months back but the image was too blurred to convince people one way or another. So with new phone and camera l can now get a clear pic posted and guess what??? Nothing changes. Restamp the doubters say. Post a pic of your engine number boys and



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Posted 27 February 2016 - 08:30 PM


Put your money where your mouth is Bruce, Anthony and XU-1 Rat, lets get this thing X-rayed !



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Posted 27 February 2016 - 08:49 PM

Nothing wrong with this pad and number.

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OK Dave, did the alignment of that number pad,

 

and looks good:-

 

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 09:54 PM

Don't worry about x-raying Keith's, as it is not in doubt....  we have been through this before....  The 150 list is well documented, the Dual Cast issue is not.....  so I say let them prove their dual cast motors are legit.....    I for one would like to see Anthony's SVO engine number .....    Why he put someone elses number up to prove his point is beyond me..... put your own up and let us see how legit your number looks..........



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Posted 27 February 2016 - 10:32 PM

I think the 3 stooges need to lay off the Meth Ian

There seeing shit that aint there

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 01:41 PM

Great Thread Skap, and thanks for showing us what we should be looking for when it comes to JP's ..     Just checked mine, and feel way more comfortable now :)

 

 

Post a pic mate :)

 


Ian,If you or anyone else wants to see my stamping/block and the number 3 on the left hand side it will be on display at Geelong all Holden day next Saturday and Phillip Island in two weeks time on the Sunday......................About the photo,s of the dual cast block 7H3 JP 397 the owner did not know how to put photo,s up and wasn't happy about Byron comment that all dual cast block had there engine numbers painted thats the reason if i have someone,s photo,s or parts i always ask for permission the photo of keith's engine number was send to my via email on 12 November 2015 and asked my opinion.

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:10 PM

Just so we are clear.... You 3 propose that ALL 150 list engines are dual cast, and further that ALL 150 list engines are a number 3 Mould ?

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:10 PM

Only asking because you seem to be the driver behind the Dual Cast Topic...  and you are quite capable of posting pics...  so just wondering your reluctence to posting a pic of your stamping pad...  cover some numbers if you want...  

 

It was nice of your friend to allow you to show his number pad, but he is not the one making the claims on here ..



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:56 PM

...................About the photo,s of the dual cast block 7H3 JP 397 the owner did not know how to put photo,s up and wasn't happy about Byron comment that all dual cast block had there engine numbers painted

As are owners of known original single cast date 150 list JP engines or JP engines with a core pattern number other than a 3 not happy with your assertions that their engine blocks are all restamps!

 



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 05:37 PM

Has anyone got any documentations proving that all jp should have a core 3 number ?

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 06:45 PM

Has anyone got any documentations proving that all jp should have a core 3 number ?

To my knowledge there is no such documentation in existence. The presumption is based on anecdotal evidence and I suspect that any JP block that has a core pattern number other than a 3 has been automatically dismissed as a fake as it does not fit the biased body of evidence..



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:11 AM

How were these engine numbers stamped on the pad, individually, in a jig or in a press ?

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:27 AM

Definitely gang stamped Peter,

 

I would like to know the method used too.

 

 

How were these engine numbers stamped on the pad, individually, in a jig or in a press ?



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:02 AM

Of the listed 150 1973 Bathurst engines, there could be only as few as 950 remaining........



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:59 AM

950 markings?

 

 

Of the listed 150 1973 Bathurst engines, there could be only as few as 950 remaining........



that is quite a few details that can tell the difference between a fake or not hey.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 07:05 AM

This is the main indicator Dave ....   

The broach marks can not be replicated. All the restamps are missing the
Broach marks. Or the block was blank and restamp but the casting date would be wrong.
I have seen a blank block no engine number and has broach marks. Cheers Jason



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 08:30 AM

Of the listed  150 1973 Bathurst engines, there could be only as few as 950 remaining........

Is that a typo?



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 11:06 AM

Ian,If you or anyone else wants to see my stamping/block and the number 3 on the left hand side it will be on display at Geelong all Holden day next Saturday and Phillip Island in two weeks time on the Sunday......................About the photo,s of the dual cast block 7H3 JP 397 the owner did not know how to put photo,s up and wasn't happy about Byron comment that all dual cast block had there engine numbers painted thats the reason if i have someone,s photo,s or parts i always ask for permission the photo of keith's engine number was send to my via email on 12 November 2015 and asked my opinion.

Cheers  

 

Anthony,

 

can you post some pictures here... particularly of the pad without paint on it ?  no use anyone seeing your engine with paint on it...



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 11:30 AM

Topic closed while it is assessed and cleaned.

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 05:49 PM

Post has been cleaned. Keep it civil and it will stay. Another pack of that shit and it's gone.

Keep the personal threats to PMs

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:14 PM

Where is your like button Tiny ? Must be the first thread ever that has returned after being removed ;)

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:50 PM

Where is your like button Tiny ? Must be the first thread ever that has returned after being removed ;)

Mods and Admins aren't allowed or don't want to be liked. lol.



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:50 PM

I tell ya Adam, it's usually easier just to ditch the whole thread because it turns to crap.... Luckily it was only the last few posts. 

Hopefully it stays reasonable!

 

Otherwise it will be gone!



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:53 PM

Yeah pull ya heads in ya bitches




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