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[RallyRed]

Central West NSW is sort of close to South Australia,  the extreme heat can play with a man's head .

Can cause very peculiar behaviour!

lol

but regardless, ...stomping on the go pedal with that many c.i. is a bit different to even the hottest 6 cyl. ( sorry Bomber)

[N/A-PWR]

Looks alright here Mark,

 

didn't think the XU1 boot would be used as a table. 

 

http://s1285.photobu...fe540d.jpg.html

 

 At least the boot on the XU-1 is a good place to store the car care goodies for the Ford.

[N/A-PWR]

Ah, that makes sense Grant.

[StephenSLR]

I actually think he is on the wrong forum!

 

Hey Bathurst Racer,

 

Are you a member of the Aus. US Muscle Forum?

 

If not, I'm sure they'd love to hear about the Torino over there.

 

http://www.usmuscle....orum/index.php?

 

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[lakeside]

Think he means in the boot Dave, not on it

The roof of a L31 hatch make a great shelf in the shed.

[StephenSLR]

Don't take this personally please, I just think they should own up and call it the GM Appreciation Forum.

 

I agree with you there. Reason being, Mustang & Corvette owners have their own forums so it's basically what's left over and in this country that'll be the Camaro's; they take up a large slice of the US action here.

 

It's rather slow moving too so unless you post regularly with updates or questions there's not much in it but a good place to get info if you need it. This Torana forum is actually very popular, even with the facebook pages going on behind the scenes. The Mustang forum is also getting a bit of traffic.

 

Actually you'd probably get some appreciation on the Mustang forum due to your car having a 429 SCJ; it may be a place to get info if you have questions regarding your motor but you'll probably get guys wanting to buy it, lol.

 

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Edited by StephenSLR, 27 December 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[wot179]

Ive always thought of the great majority of pustang and corvette owners as blokes who think they are car guys.

[unclefestal34s]

Wow some people on this forum no how to write some shit,..fancy singling out mustang and camaro owners,..

i personally have owned all the collectible torana's,monaro's that matter over a 36 year period and still own a few L34's,..

its kinda of a choice thing,.i've also owned a variety of 65 66 and 68 fastback mustangs,corvettes as i've owned 68 and still own a 69 SS camaro as well a factory powered 68 hemi car...

most people who choose these car's tend to like the shapes and research what there buying,..

a minority buy these car's with little knowledge as in there eyes there cool and give them the attention they seek..

i bought and owned these car's at various time's cause i liked what they were and there power plants..Some stuff written in this topic is based on personal preference and not on experience with these car's..

when i owned my stock 5 litre SS hatchback with hubcaps i used to cringed when it would be described to me as muscle car...then i used get told i had a bathurst L34,..

always knew these people had little to no knowledge about car's and generally let them continuing on following sheep with there interpretation of so called australian muscle car's

Bathurst- racer you make a lot of good points based on your experience's..our australian touring car's are great and its what we grew up with...for me growing up and seeing bob jane's killer camaro and moffat's trans-am mustang inspired me to own american cars as did watching peter brock drive the wheels all torana's he successfully won bathurst in..opinions on this forum are biased cause we love our torana's but there still not muscle car's but perhaps in our own eyes to some they are....each to there own..again some of my thoughts and opinions

[yel327]

Does someone here own a Gran Torino ? I have seen a couple of those at car shows but never on this forum.
If you're thinking my car is one of those Aaron the rest of your post is irrelevant because you obviously don't have much of a clue about American cars.
I'm not being nasty but you're quick to call out owners of regular Mustangs and Camaros as people who know little about cars and then show your own ignorance. Do you think that most owners of SL Toranas and other basic models don't know much about cars?
I have owned muscle cars since the early eighties and always drove a 4 cylinder ute or similar as my daily driver.
I haven't seen any 6 cylinder American imports converted to small block V8s here and certainly not most of them as you claim.

Yes Ian the XU-1 did beat the GTHO at Bathurst in 72 and I own my Torana because I respect that. I won't consider the Falcon as the best American Muscle they had because that's not true. The 351 Cleveland is a heavy engine, prone to oil surge and valve train failure. Then they stuck it into a chassis that wasn't raced with that engine anywhere else in the world and told a drag racer to win Bathurst with it. It was good enough to power the Falcon to many race wins on tracks as varied as Amaroo and Surfers Paradise, I wonder what Harry Firth could have done with it.
I'll also put it to you that no Torana handles or stops as well as a Boss 302 Mustang or 67/68 Z 28 Camaro.
The Channel 9 Camaro was built in a shed at Manly Vale in Sydney and still was faster than the Australian factory supported race cars at Bathurst. Not bad for a car with not much sponsorship and no factory input.

Anyway back to the original thread. The Torana doesn't meet the American definition of a muscle car until maybe the two door A9X was released. The earlier cars do meet the local criteria as does the 225 Valiant Pacer and the John Goss 302 Hardtop.

Can't disagree with most of that!
Two of the four most 'Muscly' cars ever to race in this country were proper US race cars: Bob Jane's ZL1 and Moffat's Transam Mustang. Both are highly sought after today in the US.
The other two are?

The only thing i'd disagree with is the A9X. To me the first racey Torana most fits the Muscle car theme, the LJ versions are simply evolution of the same theme.

[Balfizar]

Wot,  I think only started this thread for a shit stir    , not to get a definitive answer ...........   and to be honest, there probably isn't any real  Australian Muscle Cars ... but seriously who cars what category you choose to put your car under...  Supercar, Classic car, Touring car, Muscle car...  and most of our cars would fit all of those handles.. 

 

For anyone old enough to remember when Moffat's Mustang, Jane's Camaro, and a gaggle of other High Horsepower American & Australian coupes and sedans were drifting all over our favorite race tracks,  would remember the commentators describing "THAT YOU NEED TO MUSCLE THESE CAR'S AROUND THE TRACK" This is how I remember Our Aussie race cars picking up the term Muscle Cars....   I believe our reference has nothing to do with  the American equation of what makes a muscle car .... 

 

But as always, personal opinions are quoted as fact ......  and then someone gets upset ..  but that is why I like this forum & these cars, these cars create passion and passion creates pride, and pride creates conflict, and conflict creates ISIS .......  sorry, got carried away there,  I'm still Merry from Christmas ...    cheers all

 

To quote Bill Skakespeare:- "a rose by any other names would smell as sweet" and australian grown are particularly fragrant to me. That is rose or car!

[V-SLR5000-P]

The other two are?

Geoghegan Mustang and Beechey Monaro?

[yel327]

Geoghegan Mustang and Beechey Monaro?

 

Close. Geoghegan Super Falcon and Beechey HT GTS350. But I guess you'd have to consider the earlier Geohegan Mustang in the same sentence plus a few other likely contenders. None of these three were standard cars of course or purpose built race cars like the ZL1 and the Kar Kraft Transam Mustang. Both of these cars are probably close to million $US cars in the USA today if they were left as original.