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[brocks72xu1]

Buy HQ one's .

[lx308]

You could alway try and locate some good second hand ones Tony!

No such thing, I wouldn't reckon. It can't be as hard as I'm making it, I just assumed there would be more than enough in each bag of channel, not barely enough.

[S pack]

Buy HQ one's .

HQ bailey is too big for LC/LJ

[Brent J]

Sorry to hijack the thread, but does the window need to be removed from the door to fit the bailey channel or does dropping it to the bottom of the door suffice?

 

Also what contact cement is suitable for this job?

 

Cheers,

Brent

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Hi all,
bought new Bailey channel from rare spares for my LJ.
When fitted, window was as tight as "F", just to push up/down by hand (no regulator fitted yet)... even with all quater glass frame screws loosened to bump it forward as far as possible, still tight.....sprayed with silicone dry lube, still tight... dont even mention Graphite powder..still tight :(
To the point pushing up on the window, literally rocks the car. Crazy.


So going back to Rares with my samples tomorrow.
The new (tight) bailey is closest to my finger tips. The older looking bailey appears thinner in Xsection.

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[S pack]

Hey Jaso, the LC/LJ repro bailey channel was a bit too tight back in the 80's, why am I not surprised nothing has changed.

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Thanks Dave, the older bailey i pulled out, was from a different supplier (betta auto rubber).

Hopefully Rare Spares either have a solution or a refund because i cant use a not fit for purpose product.
AND ive cut to fit the Rares Bailey too. So we will see tomorrow arv, in store.

[jd lj]

Hey Jaso, the LC/LJ repro bailey channel was a bit too tight back in the 80's, why am I not surprised nothing has changed.

Dave,
Did the 80's bailey channel improve with use?

I recently had my windscreens fitted using a Rare's rubber kit. The rear screen is ok but when the chrome mylar goes in the front rubber seal it's too narrow to fill the gap in the rubber. I contacted Rare's about who took a couple of weeks looking into it but then said that the replacement new front windscreens are 3mm narrower and this makes the mylar not fit properly. When I mentioned this to the windscreen installer who's been doing the job for 40 years he didn't agree, but has suggested using the mylar from a Gemini which is about 2mm wider. Rare Spares discussed using a different mylar too but couldn't provide a sample to test. So I'm left to purchase new mylar to fix the problem (hopefully).

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Dave,
Did the 80's bailey channel improve with use?

I recently had my windscreens fitted using a Rare's rubber kit. The rear screen is ok but when the chrome mylar goes in the front rubber seal it's too narrow to fill the gap in the rubber. I contacted Rare's about who took a couple of weeks looking into it but then said that the replacement new front windscreens are 3mm narrower and this makes the mylar not fit properly. When I mentioned this to the windscreen installer who's been doing the job for 40 years he didn't agree, but has suggested using the mylar from a Gemini which is about 2mm wider. Rare Spares discussed using a different mylar too but couldn't provide a sample to test. So I'm left to purchase new mylar to fix the problem (hopefully).

Mylar, i used product from betta auto rubber fitted well, front windscreen.

[S pack]

Dave,
Did the 80's bailey channel improve with use?

I recently had my windscreens fitted using a Rare's rubber kit. The rear screen is ok but when the chrome mylar goes in the front rubber seal it's too narrow to fill the gap in the rubber. I contacted Rare's about who took a couple of weeks looking into it but then said that the replacement new front windscreens are 3mm narrower and this makes the mylar not fit properly. When I mentioned this to the windscreen installer who's been doing the job for 40 years he didn't agree, but has suggested using the mylar from a Gemini which is about 2mm wider. Rare Spares discussed using a different mylar too but couldn't provide a sample to test. So I'm left to purchase new mylar to fix the problem (hopefully).

James.

No it didn't improve with use. I was fortunate enough to get hold of some NOS bailey so I fitted that. I'm sure I still have some unused repro bailey laying around in a box.

 

I agree with your windscreen fitter, sounds like a croc of shite excuse for the poorly fitting mylar insert. Either the mylar is the correct size or it isn't.

I believe the problem is RSP simply purchase the most suitable closest size generic mylar insert from a manufacturer, they don't have mylar insert custom made to OEM specs.

 

Edited by S pack, 09 August 2022 - 07:10 AM.

[jd lj]

My new bailey channels are the same as you guys suggested and makes the windows very stiff. I was hoping that would improve with use. But it doesn't sound positive.

As for the mylar the Torana version measures about 6.5mm on the crest/seen portion but the opening in the rubber is almost 8.5mm from memory so I don't believe that the windscreen would rectify this like Rare's suggest, especially not in every direction. It's frustrating that you pay around $1k for a rubber kit and the parts in the kit don't even fit the associated part in the same kit.

Then I don't know why the LC LJ firewall grommet kit has a grommet that doesn't even belong on a LC or LJ. The rubber kit doesn't supply the grommet for the rear number plate wire so you need to buy a different grommet kit to get that. There was a few other questionable items I think or items that you'd expect to be included but weren't. Some parts did fit well though.

[S pack]

James, about 5 years ago I raised the issue of the HK,T,G brake pushrod firewall boot in the LC/LJ grommet kit with RSP and they were going to look into it but looks like us Torana owners don't know what we are talking about.

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Rares refunded my bailey rubber $$ acknowledged that what i had sent them photos of was
"Yeah mate looks different for sure bring em back and we'll refund you "

So in store Brisbane, looked at my sample to their oversize product....and opened another new bag which still appeared same oversize...

So I am just refitting my old stuff back in.

[S pack]

The repro bailey channel I bought from Rares in the late 80's or early 90's. Can't remember exactly.

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 RSP early 90s LJ Bailey channel.jpg   220.44K   1 downloads

A piece of used OEM bailey channel from the very top frame channel of one of my doors.

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[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Thanks Dave, for sharing those images.

Just looking at them, i can see the used OEM piece has the outer side ridge to lock under the channel lip, and the bailey rubber does not appear a real tight fit in the channel, even though used.

Then with the repro product image, it does not seem to have a distinct outer side ridge to lock under the bailey channel lip, and still appears a loosish fit to the channel too, not excessively loose but not tight.

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

And just to add, when i called Resto Country bout steering rack boots, I quized them about what bailey channel rubber they have available and they advised me, its RareSpares Bailey rubber they stock....

[Ice]

Its all coming from the same Chinese factory or where ever the frOck its made 

The mylar strip is an old problem see they haven’t fixed it yet cant be that hard 

[S pack]

Its all coming from the same Chinese factory or where ever the frOck its made 

The mylar strip is an old problem see they haven’t fixed it yet cant be that hard 

Problem seems to be that no one wants to shell out the $$$$ to have the stuff made to original OEM specifications to suit one brand and only one or two model series of vehicle.

Just find some generic product that is similar and 'sort of fits' and sell that.
 

[73SUNBURSTEXYOUWON]

Problem seems to be that no one wants to shell out the $$$$ to have the stuff made to original OEM specifications to suit one brand and only one or two model series of vehicle.
Just find some generic product that is similar and 'sort of fits' and sell that.
 

Sounds similar to where i work, design something, build it, doesnt fit because it has tolerance stackup, overlook the F.A.I. process - roll out the manufacture ahead of final design approvals, then have to bodge it to fit. :(

[jd lj]

I found that with the new bailey channels as I wound my windows up it was uncurling the bailey channel and wouldn't really push up into the top one. It could be a good thing that I kept the original ones.

[S pack]

The bailey channel that Jaso bought is closer in design to OEM than the stuff that Rares sold me 3 decades ago. So they have updated the product they sell in the last 30 years but it still isn't correct.

[jd lj]

Problem seems to be that no one wants to shell out the $$$$ to have the stuff made to original OEM specifications to suit one brand and only one or two model series of vehicle.
Just find some generic product that is similar and 'sort of fits' and sell that.
 

Just like the Stromberg choke cable clips that are too big to fit in the bracket on the carb and need to be ground down.

[jd lj]

I know that this is a bit off topic but I mentioned it here last week. My chrome Mylar problem with the rare spares rubber kit was solved by using the Gemini Mylar supplied by this company.... "MYLAR GEMINI (Per Metre) - ALP OZ Auto Moulds" https://www.alpoz.co...product/gemini/

I could've got something similar from Rare's but they had their chance.

[jd lj]

I've recently been told that the Betta Auto Rubber bailey channel is a better fit and the windows can be wound up and down much better than with the Rare's one's. Can anyone else confirm this before I spend any money on replacing the Rare's rubbish?