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[StephenSLR]

Then can you tell me why the big car range is called a HQ Kingswood and not a Holden 72 or HJ Kingswood is not a Holden 74 for example??
If you use Chev and corvette as the reference point for that point of view.

 

Corvette didn't release an alpha-numeric system, it went by year of release. The Corvette community refers to the early ones as 'straight axles', 'mid-year' and 'later year' but once new models arrived after the 'later years' they started numbering them C1, C2, C3, etc.

 

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[S pack]

Surely you all have better things to do on a sunny Saturday afternoon than sit in front of a computer arguing that a Holden is or isn't a Holden?

 

Go out to the shed, roll up the B&D, and take your Holden for a drive!

lol, I've got to go pick up a Suzuki Swift this arvo.

[StephenSLR]

Yeah, rain hail or shine I'm going to take out the Suzuki today and feel the wind in my hair.

 

 

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[a9x868]

Agreed with you Steve, most people don't know the difference between LH and LX etc etc.
We do need that knowledge of people like Dr Terry, Yel327, RedA9X, OuterControl, and other people who have good insight.

I guess sometimes I feel frustrated that it gets too technical and that's why over the last year or so we have seen so many people drop out of the forum.

I know this sounds hypocritical, but I understand what Yel327 is saying about Holden and Torana and tend to believe in what he has said.
He points out why, and I actually believe it.
But if I went and tried to tell someone at a car show or at a pub or at a BBQ at home with non car friends that a Torana is not a Holden they would more than likely laugh so hard that it would be embarresing.
It would be too hard and would take to long to explain, and in the end, would the person be interested.

I guess that's why I said what I said about a Torana being a Holden, cause when I walk out the door of this forum and other groups like this, that's what it is to everyone else.

what a load of crap!

let,s ask one question

of all the manufacturers in australia at the time the 

?torana,s have been in production

was it made by 

FORD

CHRYSLER 

or

HOLDEN

i,d be discusted if it was not what i was led to believe

just my 2 cents

technical forum or not 

what a load of shit!

[Ice]

Surely you all have better things to do on a sunny Saturday afternoon than sit in front of a computer arguing that a Holden is or isn't a Holden?
 
Go out to the shed, roll up the B&D, and take your Holden for a drive!

What and melt in it its 40 degrees here today no thanks

[Statler]

What does any of that have to do with ordering a L34? 

 

Or is that why they were so hard to get? People were asking for 'Holden' Toranas? lol

[eyepeeler]

Or is that why they were so hard to get? People were asking for 'Holden' Toranas? lol

Bahahaha, that's truely funny
Down to the Torana dealer for you good sir.

Edited by eyepeeler, 25 February 2017 - 03:44 PM.

[a9x868]

Bahahaha, that's truely funny
Down to the Torana dealer for you good sir.

i have formed the opinion that the moderators of this great forum

need to step in and clarify the title on the home page 

is it 

GMH-TORANA.com.au (H meaning Holden)

or is it

GMHold On-TORANA.com.au(meaning WTF)

[Statler]

Ask an Admin.

 

The Mods are clueless. 

[Ice]

i have formed the opinion that the moderators of this great forum
need to step in and clarify the title on the home page 
is it 
GMH-TORANA.com.au (H meaning Holden)
or is it
GMHold On-TORANA.com.au(meaning WTF)

Its all BS just call it what you want
your right Dave this is a Torana forum not Holden forum
sniggers

[RallyRed]

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[Uncle Chop Chop]

As HK1837 has said, ALL Holdens from late 73 onwards had ADR27, but it wasn't stamped on the ADR plate on commercials.

 

If yours was a 6-cyl it would've had not only the PCV valve (which was standard for all Holdens since mid-1967) but also the PCV return to the air cleaner assembly. This also required the 3-hole rocker cover & the flat (sealed) oil cap. A close look at the carby will also show a sealed off idle mixture screw.

 

If your car was a V8 then the hot box, heat riser tube & air cleaner snorkel with the hot air valve would also be present.

 

Dr Terry

 

 I bought my 12/74 HJ van second hand in 1985 and wasn't aware of all this back then. Interesting that ADR27 was introduced in late 1973. Because of what WASN'T on my vans compliance plate, I just assumed it started on 1/1/1975.

[Shiney005]

I had,'t commented on this as I was waiting to see if a real expert was going to give it the run down.(Where are you Wayne?)

 

From Tony Davis's book, "Rumors again suggested the top Torana was available only to bona fide CAMS racing licence - holders. In reality, the decision about who got one was made by GMH zone mangers. Around 260 L34s were made. If you wanted one, it was an advantage to have a good mate high up in GMH management or a pretty impressive race record." 

 

This was definitely the case for wheels magazine when they were trying to get their hands on one to test in October 1974.

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Wheels magazine gave up on obtaining an L34 to evaluate through GMH, and in December 1974 they managed to "borrow" one that was owned by the Holden dealer Suttons Arncliffe, and had been loaned to Don Holland. During their testing, they also had Dons SL/R 5000 to compare it with. It was in the resulting article in the magazine that they claimed the L34 was .2 of a second slower than the SL/R 5000. From the article, "The SL/R we first tested suffered from excessive wheelspin off the line and had to be held to low starting revs, while the test L34 hardly spun at all off the line and needed close to 4000 RPM to avoid bogging down hopelessly."   This couldn't have been the result of the L34 producing less power.  With most manual SL/R 5000s being GU4 (3.08) and nearly all L34s being GU7 (2.78), it would have been the gearing that was limiting it's quarter mile potential. The 14 inch rims and tyres would have only pronounced the effect. 

 

December 1975

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[Shiney005]

A quick rundown on L34 sales courtesy of Norm Darwin.

Southern Motors Melbourne - 11

Zupps Queensland - 9

Motors Holden Hobart - 8

Bill Patterson Ringwood - 4

Ron Hodgson Sydney - 4

With only 260 cars available, (3 were GMH pilot vehicles) many dealers missed out altogether, with most others only getting one car.

[a9x868]

I had,'t commented on this as I was waiting to see if a real expert was going to give it the run down.(Where are you Wayne?)

 

 

From Tony Davis's book, "Rumors again suggested the top Torana was available only to bona fide CAMS racing licence - holders. In reality, the decision about who got one was made by GMH zone mangers. Around 260 L34s were made. If you wanted one, it was an advantage to have a good mate high up in GMH management or a pretty impressive race record." 

 

 

This was definitely the case for wheels magazine when they were trying to get their hands on one to test in October 1974.

Wheels Oct 74-2 001.jpg

 

Wheels Oct 74-2.jpg

 

Wheels magazine gave up on obtaining an L34 to evaluate through GMH, and in December 1974 they managed to "borrow" one that was owned by the Holden dealer Suttons Arncliffe, and had been loaned to Don Holland. During their testing, they also had Dons SL/R 5000 to compare it with. It was in the resulting article in the magazine that they claimed the L34 was .2 of a second slower than the SL/R 5000. From the article, "The SL/R we first tested suffered from excessive wheelspin off the line and had to be held to low starting revs, while the test L34 hardly spun at all off the line and needed close to 4000 RPM to avoid bogging down hopelessly."   This couldn't have been the result of the L34 producing less power.  With most manual SL/R 5000s being GU4 (3.08) and nearly all L34s being GU7 (2.78), it would have been the gearing that was limiting it's quarter mile potential. The 14 inch rims and tyres would have only pronounced the effect. 

 

December 1975

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the L34 was .2 of a second slower than the SL/R 5000

the real reason that GMH didn,t want the public buying an L34

and all that bullshit about needing a cams licence haha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shiney005]

They had to keep the axles together somehow!

[hanra]

My manual 5000 is GU7. Most others I've seen are the same.

[Bigfella237]

According to the LH Parts Catalog, GU7 was the only RR Axle available for L31 (manual or auto), whereas L34 had GU4 also available as an option:

 

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[Ice]

Whats an L23 engine

[Bigfella237]

Whats an L23 engine

 

Low Compression 202 from memory, with a "HM" prefix

[Ice]

Low Compression 202 from memory, with a "HM" prefix

I have never seen L23 on a tag ever