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[hanra]

Jeepers

[Shiney005]

Maybe we should have exported a few welding lessons as well. 

[claysummers]

Welding in rubber boots is okay, but don’t the kiwi ones come with conduit in the front to stop the sheep’s feet scratching their shins? Maybe that hampered the (welding) technique.


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[tuxedoss]

Well it sure wasn’t done by the same guys at Dandenong that did all the ones I’ve seen .

[kudu]

Welding in rubber boots is okay, but don’t the kiwi ones come with conduit in the front to stop the sheep’s feet scratching their shins? Maybe that hampered the (welding) technique.

Actually, didn't you know that wool is a natural insulator?

[claysummers]

Do you mean have I ever fuched a sheep?


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[grumpy xu1]

Do you mean have I ever fuched a sheep?


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That sounds like something for a different website to this 1.

[Stevo75]

Man that went downhill fast.

Anyway, thanks for most of the feedback😆.

I’m summary, it seems the NZ built cars don’t have stamped chassis numbers.

I’ve never seen one with rubber boots or conduit either (that doesn’t mean they don’t exist😁), but then again I’ve never seen a sheep with feet either??????

[Shiney005]

Maybe they're looking for the chassis number???

 

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[Stevo75]

Maybe they're looking for the chassis number???

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😆 They definitely look a bit sheepish.

[Shiney005]

So........ Lets say this Torana was assembled at the Trentham plant in Upper Hutt.  Just how "Completely Knocked Down" were these cars? With the welding shown in the photo, I would say it arrived without a radiator support panel. 

In 1970, these Acacia Ridge HB's looked to be packed in the box as a complete body.

 

 

 

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The HK's bound for South Africa looked like a big box too.

 

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[S pack]

So........ Lets say this Torana was assembled at the Trentham plant in Upper Hutt.  Just how "Completely Knocked Down" were these cars? With the welding shown in the photo, I would say it arrived without a radiator support panel. 

In 1970, these Acacia Ridge HB's looked to be packed in the box as a complete body.

HB Torana in 1970? Do you have a pic Laurie? Pagewood performed final assembly of HB Torana from bodies built at Acacia Ridge.

 

AFAIK, CKD is exactly what it means Completely knocked down.
 

[Bigfella237]

I know with trucks that CKD means 'some assembly required' but it's by no means starting from scratch. Usually a heap of chassis rails are flat-packed together and everything else comes in a big box. Cabs are painted and complete with doors, glass, interior, wiring, etc. ready to be dropped onto the chassis once the running gear is installed. But it can all be done with basic tools... no welding required.

 

But obviously that couldn't apply to a monocoque vehicle.

 

You would have to know why they CKD'd them, if it was purely for import tax reasons or if it was for compactness during shipping?

 

It doesn't seem like much of a space-saving just to ship them without the radiator support though, unless the chassis rails weren't welded to the body either? But then you'd have to remove the interior to spot weld them on so that couldn't be pre-assembled?

 

Might explain why they didn't have chassis numbers stamped in them though, if the rails & panels were supplied separately?

[Shiney005]

HB Torana in 1970? Do you have a pic Laurie? Pagewood performed final assembly of HB Torana from bodies built at Acacia Ridge.

The picture was from the Holden archives, but that is not to say they couldn't have the wrong date on it.

 

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I know with trucks that CKD means 'some assembly required' but it's by no means starting from scratch. Usually a heap of chassis rails are flat-packed together and everything else comes in a big box. Cabs are painted and complete with doors, glass, interior, wiring, etc. ready to be dropped onto the chassis once the running gear is installed. But it can all be done with basic tools... no welding required.

 

You would have to know why they CKD'd them, if it was purely for import tax reasons or if it was for compactness during shipping?

It was purely for tax purposes Andrew. Up until 1987, the NZ government had large tariffs on "Completely Built Up" cars. A certain amount of local content had to go into the CKD cars, including "glass, wheels, seats and wiring looms".  (This could entail more homework on the GTS wheel thread)

 

Archives New Zealand Reference

R24809065 AAQT 6539 W3537 142 / B5099

 

You can see in this photo of a HQ during assembly, that the door frames were empty.

 

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[Bigfella237]

So who won? (I bet it was Miss Wellington.)

[S pack]

Thanks Laurie, yes completed Acacia Ridge bodies loaded onto rail cars headed for Pagewood for final assembly.

The wooden boxes in the rail cars are most likely component packs arriving into Acacia Ridge from Woodville.

The date captioned on that photo is wrong.

Edited by S pack, 25 February 2022 - 10:55 AM.

[S pack]

Might explain why they didn't have chassis numbers stamped in them though, if the rails & panels were supplied separately?

The CKD packs are just a box of parts needing assembly hence why there was no Australian chassis number stamped.

The Philippines assembled LJ Torana CKD cars were stamped with a Philippines chassis number in the assembly plant in the Philippines.

GM New Zealand didn't bother with stamping chassis numbers. Perhaps NZ vehicle registration legislation did not require chassis numbers? 
 

[kudu]

The CKD packs are just a box of parts needing assembly hence why there was no Australian chassis number stamped.

The Philippines assembled LJ Torana CKD cars were stamped with a Philippines chassis number in the assembly plant in the Philippines.

GM New Zealand didn't bother with stamping chassis numbers. Perhaps NZ vehicle registration legislation did not require chassis numbers? 
 

 

We require a VIN number for registration purposes... but here in NZ we just used the VIN number from the centre skinny tag. And as mentioned we do not need to follow any ADR rules. So the ADR tag and then having that ADR number stamped into the car was null and void. 

 

As for the CKD part of the discussion. I was always under the impression that the CKD cars arrived here as just bare shells. And in the box for that vehicle was everything required to turn that shell into a road worthy vehicle. from dash light bulbs to diffs. That's why I always thought they were painted in Australia. Another theory to back that up is the production numbers for all torana's. It is known how many of each colour and variant were produced. If the CKD vehicles sent across here were painted here then Holden Australia would not actually know how many cars of each colour there were.

 

So I imagine a customer would walk into a showroom here and order a Barbados Green SL/R 5000. NZ would ring OZ, place an order. That body shell would be assembled, painted and placed in a box with all of its goodies and then shipped across the ditch. And then assembled here.

Edited by kudu, 25 February 2022 - 12:08 PM.

[S pack]

No SL/R or SL/R 5000 were ever built in NZ, they were all built in Australia and exported to NZ as complete cars.

Completely Knocked Down (CKD) means exactly that, it is a crate containing all the individual parts (minus any local content) that are needed to assemble a car.

Edited by S pack, 25 February 2022 - 12:07 PM.

[Shiney005]

Yes Andrew.   Miss Wellington 100%. 

[kudu]

No SL/R or SL/R 5000 were ever built in NZ, they were all built in Australia and exported to NZ as complete cars.

Completely Knocked Down (CKD) means exactly that, it is a crate containing all the individual parts (minus any local content) that are needed to assemble a car.

 

Yes exactly. I was just saying I was always under the impression that the shell came as one "Part" and that it arrived painted. And then everything was attached to that, like a giant kitset model. I did not think they completely constructed the shell as well.

 

...And I remembered that the SL/R's were not built here. I just used that as an example as it's my favourite car/colour...

[hanra]

Yes Andrew.   Miss Wellington 100%. 

 

https://www.hauraki....youll-ever-see/

[UCgazman]

That guy standing on the box while being lifted with the crane would give OH&S reps a heart attack nowadays...

[kudu]

That guy standing on the box while being lifted with the crane would give OH&S reps a heart attack nowadays...

 

Totally... I mean where is his High Viz Vest???....As that would save him if he fell off!!!...........

[Shiney005]

https://www.hauraki....youll-ever-see/

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