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[orangeLJ]

^^ hey Rim lets not get into what we have and havent done.... our personal exploits (well the nauhty ones) are better kept to ourselves.

interesting mix of opinions, and some intellectual discussion without any problems! YESSSSSSSS.

Just to chuck my 2 cents in about the statistics, the thing that always gets me is that the figures always show under 25 yr olds that DIED on the roads, not under 25 yr old DRIVERS that DIED on the road. quite often the deaths of young people are over inflated as they either travel in larger groups in cars, or, if you think about it in the average family car there is generally one adult (if its around town) and anywhere up to say 3 kids, on holidays/long haul, maybe 2 adults and 1-3 kids. (by kids i mean older teenages)

and for the statistics that show 17-10yr olds that died in accidents, how many were passengers and how many were drivers? one bad driver can kill 4 friends at a time, thus adding 5 to the stats, when really it was 1 accident.

i hope that is remotely ledgible.

CHEERS Chris

[RIM-010]

I've thrown myself into plenty of slides, either on the racetrack or in a paddock etc... I always drive responsibly on the roads. Just by doing that, I think that I've become a better driver by learning how to control myself in a slide, and to be able to correct myself when the time comes that I make a mistake on the roads, which undoubtedly will happen...

Tim

[MRLXSS]

do you even have your licence yet rim?

[Heath]

He has his L's. As I have very few oppurtunities to drive in "the right place" (note: have not driven on private property since I was 11 years old) on my L's, I do have to experiment a bit on the roads when there's no one around. Ahh well L platers never get picked on or never get in accidents, so at the moment i'm bulletproof.

Note: That was tongue-in-cheek, but I do have to get experience in all situations somehow. And a lot of that experience will be done on the roads (even if it's a bit naughty/dangerous), as it's the only area I get to drive in. So be it; I want to be a very good driver.

Better to get good at it when I have a mature adult next to me telling me to ease off, than a drunk mate telling me to go faster!

[orangeLJ]

i think that emphasises the point, know the car, know your own abilities and dont puch either one too far. If it means having an "experiment" as heath said, then so be it, im sure he isnt talking about doing donuts in a carpark late at night, but simply taking that corner a bit quicker. to know your limits would be the best thing anyone can do for their driving.

And as for the spin out thing, there is this roundabout on the main road at Bateau Bay (suburb where i live) and the sewage works driveway come out onto that round about, now it has never been proven or tested, but there always seems to be black crap (raod looks wet) that is in a trail from the driveway round the round about. When it gets wet, the maximum speed through that roundabout is about 10 kays. there is always someone, and not always a P plater that mounts the curb on the exit or rolls over, on that roundabout Every time it rains.

now in the dry i have gone through that round about at well over the speedlimit, with out a drama, it actually had less slide through that then it does thru other roundabouts, but in the wet, LOOK OUT!

[Heath]

My brother works night shifts and he's on his 20 (on his P's). If he did drive, the curfew thing would be ridiculously unfair for him. In that way, it's good that it was scrapped.

However, I think it would be one of the safest things that could be introduced. I mean I know Commodore owners (either wogs or guys who hang around with wogs lol!) who actually say "hey bro, meet at Maccas carpark at 11:00pm and we'll go down to the Boulevard for some drifting and shit" etc. No, I'm not kidding.

They actually go out in groups to just f*ck around on the roads when it's dark, regularly. Granted they are intellegent enough to do it when the roads are being used the least, but still. Visibility is worse etc obviously.

The bad accidents happen at night. Primarily the ones where drivers are f*cking around anyway.

OPEN UP SANDOWN EVERY WEEKEND! ffs

The Government knows what the solutions are, they just don't wanna do anything that makes it look like they're giving in to young drivers (i.e. creating a win-win situation). That's how I view it anyway.

[MRLXSS]

I mean I know Commodore owners (either wogs or guys who hang around with wogs lol!) who actually say "hey bro, meet at Maccas carpark at 11:00pm and we'll go down to the Boulevard for some drifting and shit" etc. No, I'm not kidding.

No Shit, You are dead right heath! i work at Maccas and there are always TOOLS in our carpark thinking they are the shit!

You should have seen in one night when LXCHEV came to visit me at work. They couldnt believe what they were seeing. Half of them wanted to know all about his car (to be honest, who wouldn't?) And the other half were jealous they werent getting attention. So they turned up there subbies! and pumped it! haha f*cken wankers! But the roar of bretts engine when it started up well out powered the fully sick 800watt system! LOL



p.s On the talk on helmets! haha funny thing that. Me and my mates loved doing random shit. So one day we thought we would cover my mates 1980 corolla in Duct tape, we had 05 in the side, racing stripes and anything else we could think of. Then we all put on Racing helmets and just cruised the streets doing random stuff. it was so much fun and so many people got a good laugh out of us! Who says you need alcohol to have fun!!!

Edited by 253ToranaSS, 05 May 2007 - 05:47 PM.

[rodomo]

No Shit, You are dead right heath! i work at Maccas and there are always TOOLS in our carpark thinking they are the shit!

What a load of crap!

Everyone knows you and Makka "are the shit"

You can quote me on that in your sigs. if you like

[RIM-010]

Who says you need alcohol to have fun.

Cohen...

Tim

[Joshua]

Is it just me, or does it seem the only people against the laws are the L and P platers?

In all honesty, if you always drove within the speed limit, and matched your speed to the conditions (eg slower in fog, rain, ice, round sharp bends etc) kept your distance from the driver in front of you. and actually drove your car, not play DJ with the CD player or eating your lunch or on the fone... (you get my drift)
How many times in your lifetime do you think your car will come in to an unexpected slide?

Also if you did all of the above these new laws would not be coming out.

When i hear about a high speed accident which innocent passengers die i truly feel sorry for them. Usually the bastard driver will walk away unscratched. If i ever read the headline "Driver dies in 150km/h accident, all passengers survive" i would be like 'Oh well'

And another thing. Should 17 year olds really be allowed to drive 1 ton missiles? If 'they' wanted to bring in a law that all Provisional drivers had to have speed limited cars (120km/h??) i would be for it. Why should they go faster than that? And for those of you who think its stupid, why?

Sure there is shithouse drivers with open licences, but thats because they were never taught right in the first place.

I had 2 accidents (2 that were my fault anyway) when on my P's. Both speed related, and one was in a Turbocharged torana.

I know its just those few P Platers that stuff it up for everybody, but in reality those few are the majority. Dont believe me, just go for a drive and see how many P Platers are sticking to the speed limit, keeping distance and basically all the other stuff i said in the 2nd paragraph.

...waiting for a barrage of P Platers to attack....

Why not limit everybody's car to 120km/h?

Do people on their open license not speed and do the wrong thing?
You may think that it's a majority of P platers do the wrong thing, but, in reality, it's a minority.
But the same gos for open licenses drivers, there are people that do the wrong things, they get in accidents, die and kill other people.
So why doesn't Australia just ban any car high powered car? No v8's allowed.
If this will supposedly stop P platers from killing them selfs, Should work for every one else, right?

So how would you like to be told, from now on, you are not allowed to drive a v8?
That you cannot drive at night time? That you have all the restrictions that a p platers has under these laws imposed on you.
A minority of open licenses drivers kill them selfs being stupid, so it should be fine.

You shouldn't have a problem with you car being speed limited to 120km/h either?

[RIM-010]

Why limit cars to 120km/h? You're only legally allowed to go 110km/h, except in NT, and if it was monitored by GPS, they could tell if you were there, and adjust themselves accordingly.

Tim