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[Neils LX]

Drivers sill On 25 car got damaged and theres no pictured damaged on 05 car. Car at Bathurst has no sign on sill repair. Thoughts?

[S pack]

My bet is the 05 VK in the photo shoot had left over VH model HDT decals on the rear quarters.

[Rockoz]

Ive removed painted sign writing before. Without trace.

Given that the base would have been good and the signwriting relatively fresh, not a difficult job.

[S pack]

Where do you start, time to do some reading me thinks.
In short the NMRM car sits at Bathurst body in tact is since donated in the 1985, was raped of most good mechanical bits when it had a short returned to Brock in 88 BMW years.
The other has been round the world, raced successfully, destroyed in a major shunt , front rear and sides totally destroyed, either repaired or reshelled, with either method the chassis number font appears slightly different , returned to Australia fully rebuilt again using all new panels, quarters rad support included. So this car is impossible to gauge any think body wise off, if it is even infact the orginal comm 7 car?

That's it in very short.

Have a look at the sign writing on the Champion, Goodwood, NMRM and 84 Bathurst race cars. It appears the Champion HDT 05 VK is the same as the HDT 05 VK that Brock drove at Goodwood.

From what I've read so far the Goodwood car is the one that went to England, raced by John Clelland, then came back to HDT for a refurb?

[REDA9X]

The car that went to good wood is the champion car if that answers your question

[S pack]

The car that went to good wood is the champion car if that answers your question

Thanks Red, but where did the Champion car come from? Was it the car that went to England?

[Balfizar]

My bet is the 05 VK in the photo shoot had left over VH model HDT decals on the rear quarters.

 

I have not heard of complete decals being used on HDT early '80 to'84 even the castrol was hand painted on the guards and headlights.

and also not unless you are colourblind - VH HDT logos were Marlboro red in the "D" of HDT I believe the VK had day-glo "D's"

Quiet possible as there's a picture with the VH bonnet on it in the build process.

Not even close.

the build photo with the VH bonnet is com #5  done up with the VK air dam.

Bev was right there were 3 race cars of similar spec, Perkins confirms "no Mechanical difference" between VH and VK group C cars.

Brock referred 3 times to the refurbished 25 for the AEC races.  It was standard practice for HDT to refurbish the 05 ATCC into the 25 AEC car.

There are 5 photos of Com #5 being converted and an article "Brockbuster" in Sept playboy that shows Com #5 with a VK air dam and a VK passanger seat.

You may also notice the ROCKTOBER 84 on the air dam in the playboy article,  you may also notice a slightly washedout rocktober 84 on the air dam  in the build photo.

[S pack]

I have not heard of complete decals being used on HDT early '80 to'84 even the castrol was hand painted on the guards and headlights.

and also not unless you are colourblind - VH HDT logos were Marlboro red in the "D" of HDT I believe the VK had day-glo "D's"

Maybe I am colour blind

However, if the D in the HDT logo on the rear qtr panel of the 05 VH Commodore is 'Marlboro Red' and on the 05 VK Commodore it's Dayglo then the answer is a no brainer regardless of whether HDT used decals, spray masks or they were hand painted with a brush, of which the latter I highly doubt.

Edited by S pack, 15 March 2014 - 03:27 PM.

[Balfizar]

Drivers sill On 25 car got damaged and theres no pictured damaged on 05 car. Car at Bathurst has no sign on sill repair. Thoughts?

If you could call the Harvey car sill damage photo proof of damage.

 

What would you call this behind the front guard on the sill????????????????

 

[Rockoz]

Reckon those sills might be like that for maybe ummmmmmmmmmmm jacks?

[Balfizar]

Well looking at a better resolution photo of the Bathurst Museum car I would say a factory sill line which leaves the score at balfizar 0 and everyone else 1

Mate you are a dumb arse the evidence is there you are just bullshitting yourself now

 

 

Now there I was trying to keep the whole tone of the discussion civil,  I guess anything goes here?

Edited by Balfizar, 15 March 2014 - 09:44 PM.

[Balfizar]

Maybe I am colour blind

However, if the D in the HDT logo on the rear qtr panel of the 05 VH Commodore is 'Marlboro Red' and on the 05 VK Commodore it's Dayglo then the answer is a no brainer regardless of whether HDT used decals, spray masks or they were hand painted with a brush, of which the latter I highly doubt.

 

 

[Rockoz]

Big woop.

Still proves nothing.

Painted signwriting can be removed. Without the need for a respray.

Maybe we should stop feeding the troll.

[S pack]

 

OK, thanks for the close up shot, I agree they are not decals, however, it doesn't change the fact the NMRM 05 VK Commodore is P.B's Bathurst winning car.

[Balfizar]

Mate put up or shut up where is your evidence, you say Bathurst car isn't 05, i have given the proof that it is, you have someone else wanting to meet at the museum and prove it as well

 

things stay civil to a point you seen the proof for 05 so where's yours that it isn't, you have been clutching at straws trying to deny it. Time for you to show what you have, or are you just going to whinge and whine because I am beginning to think your just a Internet troll

 

So what is it going to be?

 

QUOTE "I put up what I see and think. I seek not to change anyone’s opinion in this discussion, the validity of the information I preset is just a catalyst and if it inspires a change of opinion on this matter than that is up to the individual."

 

I think that somewhere in the last 100 posts, is my evidence as you call it.

 

And what I think I have highlighted is that there are some information in  the investigation that when logically processed should arrive at a conclusion not 05, there is other information in the investigation that when logically processed should arrive at a conclusion 05.  CONFLICT,  you can choose to evaluate only the info that suits the conclusion you want but you cannot process that with conflicting information without coming to a conflicting conclusion. I have a conflicting conclusion

 

Its an entire document for credibilitys sake

[Redzone]

I still say the promo shot car had vinyl logos, makes sense if they were in a rush as you say.